The BNP to control Stoke and Barking and Dagenham Councils within 3-5 years.....

[dennisr]

Where were the left during the "back the bid" drivel? Apart from the no2012 campaign (not sure who organised that), what they hell did the left have to say on the matter? Bugger all from what I remember.

where were you posterAGGGGHHHHHMADANGRY ?

where was YOUR campaign????? eh, eh, eh.....

I blame YOU

Personally YOU are to blame - YOU are the problem. Its all YOUR fault

idiot

 

[dennisr]

I think if the major left groups had not kept schtum over the Olympics and had made a bit more noise about the problems it is causing then things may have been different

and here comes your grindingly predicatable boris voting mate to back you up....


...surprise

 

[poster342002]

where were you posterAGGGGHHHHHMADANGRY ?

where was YOUR campaign????? eh, eh, eh.....

In my own small way with NO resources I argued with anyone who mentioned it why the olympics would bring nothing but expense and inconveneience.

What did the left - with considerably more resources than me - do to oppose the imposition of the games on London? I'm still waiting for an answer to this.
I think they couldn't because they were ideologically hamstrung by their tailing of Livingstone.

 

[dennisr]

come on treeloverthingy - explain this phenomenom to me?

explain why I should not state the obvious when the same thing happens again - not for the first time. or the fifth time or the tenth time?

tell me what you answer is mate, mr caring, non-oppressive type??

 

[KeyboardJockey]

That's a very sad attitude to have I agree with working in local communities as absolutely crucial, but as for the rest, you'll be forever looking for another sticking plaster. It's that attitude that makes it so bloody difficult to work towards a solution of the cause, rather than desperately trying to patch up when the next thing goes wrong.

Sometimes the causes of problems are so fucking huge that all you can do is try to make things better at a more local level.

Besides that I've lost all faith in revolutionaries and revolutions all they create is more bloodshed.

 

[durruti02]

poster KBJ .. who are you talking to? we all agree with you the cod left are full of shit .. but please DO something .. we all need to JUST DO SOMETHING .. urban is for debate about tactics and your point has been made many times that much of the left is alien to the w/c as it's politics are middle class and irrelevent .. yes the failure of the cod left to defend w/c communities has been disasterous .. and the failure to take a sensible line on immigration .. but again NEITHER of these charges can be brought against the SP ( fuck me when did i become a spokes for the SP! )

while the SP follow i model i do NOT agree with, they DO, DO exactly what YOU demand of a left group .. they ARE based in ordinary campaigns .. their members are just ordinary w/c people who want to do something about where they live ..

your cynicism is normal and understandable but can get very tiring for those of us who ARE active in ways you would appreciate

 

[dennisr]

In my own small way with NO resources I argued with anyone who mentioned it why he olympics would bring nothing but expense and inconveneience.

What did the left - with considerably more resources than me - do to oppose the imposition of the games on London? I'm still waiting for an answer to this.

were are these 'resources' you moron? stop making things up you fantasist

so all you did was 'talk about it' - there's a surprise

the faux arrogance ("i'm still waiting for an answer") is just making you out to be more of a wanker than you already sound

my paper carried pages on it what else were we supposed to do in your fantasy world?

haven't you got some terribly soul-destroying job to be getting on with?

 

[durruti02]

Sometimes the causes of problems are so fucking huge that all you can do is try to make things better at a more local level.

Besides that I've lost all faith in revolutionaries and revolutions all they create is more bloodshed.

1) ll just do it then .. HSG awaits you

2) who hasn't?? but tbh it should NEVER have been a faith thing .. THAT was a judeo xtian thing that slipped in .. politics is about just doing the right thing .. chnage from the base .. time to do it .. these are critical times KBJ

 

[dennisr]

Sometimes the causes of problems are so fucking huge that all you can do is try to make things better at a more local level.

Besides that I've lost all faith in revolutionaries and revolutions all they create is more bloodshed.

.. so vote tory (oh, ooops, i forgot you already have)


(you really don't have any concience do you...)

 

[dennisr]

Hi, and welcome to all new posters this is the 4000 and 21st....

*drum roll*

All about me and my mate (who are a little bit of a drag at the moment lets talk about ME, ME, ME and blame THEM, THEM, THEM (somebody else, in fact anybody else but me) thread

lots of love
KJ & posterDURRRMADANGRY

"here to destroy any sensible debate" (soon to be registered as an official slogan)

 

[poster342002]

my paper carried pages on it what else were we supposed to do in your fantasy world?

Now we're getting somewhere. If your paper carried articles on the London olympics - and opposed them, fair play to the SP and three cheers for doing so.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

poster KBJ .. who are you talking to? we all agree with you the cod left are full of shit .. but please DO something ..

I've just started to get back into community stuff. I am finding that I much prefer to do this from within a faith based perspective rather than from within a political party / grouping perspective. Seen too many charlatans, egotists, revolutionary fantasists to want to get involved in that shit again.

I've got my eye on something happening in Harringey An anti gated community thing.

 

[poster342002]

Hi, and welcome to all new posters this is the 4000 and 21st....

*drum roll*

All about me and my mate (who are a little bit of a drag at the moment lets talk about ME, ME, ME and blame THEM, THEM, THEM (somebody else, in fact anybody else but me) thread

lots of love
KJ & posterDURRRMADANGRY

"here to destroy any sensible debate" (soon to be registered as an official slogan)

Bet you stayed up all night thinking that one up, laughing at your own joke into the small hours.

 

[articul8]

You will never get PR introduced via a longstanding two party first-past-the-post system. It's simply too much in the two main parties interests to maintian the current set-up.

I wouldn't be so sure - especially at local government level Labour now has so few councillors it might even gain from a PR system itself.

Obviously trickier for Westminster elections but they've already got PR in Soctland, Wales, N Ireland, London and Euros now so there increasingly isolated.

 

[dennisr]

Now we're getting somewhere. If your paper carried articles on the London olympics - and opposed them, fair play to the SP and three cheers for doing so.

So why do i have to be so harsh on you before you start posting more balanced points maybe even adding something the rest of us could learn from?

i just don't get the two of you - who do you think you are exposing?
(apart from yourselves)

if you thought about it - what do you think your agenda is? (not saying its concious like... but everything happens for a reason even if the folk carrying that agenda out are not aware of it themselves)

 

[dennisr]

Bet you stayed up all night thinking that one up, laughing at your own joke into the small hours.

nope, just a wee titter an took all of 20 second to write

 

[butchersapron]

I wouldn't be so sure - especially at local government level Labour now has so few councillors it might even gain from a PR system itself.

Obviously trickier for Westminster elections but they've already got PR in Soctland, Wales, N Ireland, London and Euros now so there increasingly isolated.

And whose going to push it though? A party with a majority in the commons. There's a flaw in the plan there!

 

[Oswaldtwistle]

Here's why I don't think this will happen: I think the Tories will win the next election.

Currently we have a Labour government, the main alternative to which is the Tories. However in some poor working class areas the Tories are seen as little more than a bunch of out-of-touch toffs, and in many of those areas the Tories have no party infastructure anyway. And the BNP are the main alternative to the Labour party in those places.

Once we have a Tory government, Labour will be once again the alternative to the status quo, and unlike the Tories they are strong in Stoke and Barking.

I hope I'm right........

 

[treelover]

Durruti said
es the failure of the cod left to defend w/c communities has been disasterous .. and the failure to take a sensible line on immigration ..

But sadly they, that is WILOTL just won't learn, an example, the event aimed at the LP conference, 'The Convention of the Left' looks quite broad on firrst glance, but then dig deeper and you can see it is likely to have a no borders position, not explicit, but becuse of the many fringe left groups involved, imo, no left is going to grow anywhere in the EU if it espouses open borders.

 

[treelover]

@dennis,

its rather weird why you get upset at our challenges, as most of the critiques of the left are not aimed at the SP which overall does good community based campaigning, etc, which i applaud.

 

[dennisr]

@dennis,

its rather weird why you get upset at our challenges, as most of the critiques of the left are not aimed at the SP which overall does good community based campaigning, etc, which i applaud.

treelover - the opinions of the SP do not bother me.

You requested earlier that I lay off of pointing out the consistant depressive rubbish from two posters. You have already bought this up in the past.

This has nothing to do with the SP or my political views or political critiques. It is to do with what do you think the problem is in what you see as me attacking in a personal way the (come on you must admit this...) unhinged level of repetative 'its all hopeless' comments from those posters - so what is the problem you have with these posts?

Durritti mentioned in a reply to KJ that he could understand the experience of years of defeats and set backs on the individual and the effects that has on peoples outlooks - but he said one just has to get back up and keep on keeping on. Now, I can even understand folk who have given up keeping on (as long as they do not spend their entire time attacking those that do...).

Like most people I have experiences my own defeats and setbacks What I cannot abode is idiots that ONLY repeat endless depressive nonsense on bulletin boards I come on to take a break from the day to day grind. But you see this as a problem when I take them up on their REAL issues (which has nothing at all to do with a political critique and everything to do with their own lowered sights - to the point of constant disruptiveness) - You say I am attacking them personally and this is in some way wrong - Please explain??

I see their constant droning as vicious but cowardly, de-humanising passive aggressive fuckwittery. Cowards bullying other folk by default. I take exception to that.

(I should add I also take exception to the repeated point/insinuation/whatever you are making about some perceived insensitivity to peoples mental state of mind - hence the curt tone)

 

[articul8]

And whose going to push it though? A party with a majority in the commons. There's a flaw in the plan there!

well, 1) there might well arise another hung parliament situation where a main party needs the lib dems or nationalists on board to get its programme through

2) they're already talking about AV which concedes the principle that FPTP is fucked, might be a step to something else (over a 20 year period maybe!)

 

[KeyboardJockey]

well, 1) there might well arise another hung parliament situation where a main party needs the lib dems or nationalists on board to get its programme through

That is a distinct possiblity.

2) they're already talking about AV which concedes the principle that FPTP is fucked, might be a step to something else (over a 20 year period maybe!)

Agree. You cant turn around a constitutional oil tanker over night. The British constitution counts in centuries not years a bit like the Vatican.