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The BNP in the European Parliament

claphamboy said:
You nearly convinced me that I was wrong, better luck next time. ;)
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So close yet so far :(

Anyway you're original comment was wrong so once again I find away to keep my head held high, and Big Brother just started so even more opportunity to feel superior... :p
 
CyberRose said:
Obviously the Commission has a vast amount of power but nothing can come into law without the say-so of the Parliament (not even an alliance between the Commission and the Council can change that)
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The Council of Ministers can introduce legislation under the areas covered by the Consultation Process without being bound by the parliament's decision. Laws brought in by the Codecision Process can only be rejected or approved by the parliament, not amended. I'm not sure if the Lisbon Constitution, sorry Treaty, changes any of this.

E2A: Fuck the EU.
 
DownwardDog said:
The Council of Ministers can introduce legislation under the areas covered by the Consultation Process without being bound by the parliament's decision. Laws brought in by the Codecision Process can only be rejected or approved by the parliament, not amended. I'm not sure if the Lisbon Constitution, sorry Treaty, changes any of this.

E2A: Fuck the EU.
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I don't think the Council can introduce any legislation? That's the Commission's job. The Consultation procedure (which now refers to CAP but when the Lisbon Constitution is forced down the throats of the Irish then Codecision will be extended to CAP as well) means the Council has the main power to accept, reject or amend it. I'm pretty sure the Parliament has the power to amend any legislation under the Codecision procedure but obviously any amendments would need to approval of the Council (and vice versa)
 
MC5 said:
All? :hmm:
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Well I haven't asked them all, but if the EU is what the left claim it is, then all mega-rich people should love it, yet UKIP and the Conservative supporters tend to oppose the EU and people like Rupert Murdoch hate it - surely these people should be behind the EU 100% if the left are correct...
 
CyberRose said:
I don't think the Council can introduce any legislation? That's the Commission's job.
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That's even worse. At least the CoM has a shade of democratic accountability. The Commission is an unelected hyper-quango feverishly wanking out reams of statist and corporatist legislation.

Consultation doesn't just cover CAP (as bad as that is) but also taxation, finance, immigration and visas.

BTW, fuck the EU.
 
DownwardDog said:
That's even worse. At least the CoM has a shade of democratic accountability. The Commission is are an unelected hyper-quango feverishly wanking out reams of statist and corporatist legislation.

Consulatation doesn't just cover CAP (as bad as that is) but also taxation, finance, immigration and visas.

BTW, fuck the EU.
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I take it that you're all for the Lisbon Constitution then?! :D
 
CyberRose said:
Well I haven't asked them all, but if the EU is what the left claim it is, then all mega-rich people should love it, yet UKIP and the Conservative supporters tend to oppose the EU and people like Rupert Murdoch hate it - surely these people should be behind the EU 100% if the left are correct...
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Many reasons for opposition, other than being 'a rich club', including 'tax harmonisation', 'the currency', 'an undemocratic superstate', 'socialist' 'federalism', 'protectionism', 'national sovereignty', 'migration', etc.
 
MC5 said:
Many reasons for opposition, other than being 'a rich club', including 'tax harmonisation', 'the currency', 'an undemocratic superstate', 'socialist' 'federalism', 'protectionism', 'national sovereignty', 'migration', etc.
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But mainly cos they can make even more money if they can ride rough shot over workers rights, yea?
 
CyberRose said:
Well I haven't asked them all, but if the EU is what the left claim it is, then all mega-rich people should love it, yet UKIP and the Conservative supporters tend to oppose the EU and people like Rupert Murdoch hate it - surely these people should be behind the EU 100% if the left are correct...
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Bit of a Little Englander view from such a pro-Europeanist. What about all the bosses of the big German, French and Swedish companies (to name a few) who all love the EU and are intimately involved in creating it?
 
frogwoman said:
Apart from the psychological boost that it will give to the supporters of the BNP, and apart from propelling it into the "mainstream" of politics (which are very important/insiduous effects) i'd like to know what effect Nick Griffin or someone getting into the European Parliament would have?

Like how much power do MEPs have, are they able to propose/vote on bills etc? If there were BNP MEPs how much "damage" would they be able to do in terms of proposing/blocking legislation and the like?

The reason I'm asking this is because I've always heard that the European Parliament is a bit of a farce with very little power, is there much that Griffin and the like would be able to, erm, "achieve" during their time there?
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Propelling it into the mainstream of politics?

:confused:

BNP are absolutely no threat whatsoever. It's just fucking amazing that anyone treats them as such.

Everyone knows they are fucking loons.
 
Relahni said:
Propelling it into the mainstream of politics?

:confused:

BNP are absolutely no threat whatsoever. It's just fucking amazing that anyone treats them as such.

Everyone knows they are fucking loons.
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No threat in terms of forming a government certainly. A threat in relation to a few local authorities; maybe, but given their small numbers and more importantly the centralisation of powers over the last two and a half decades, not much of a threat. A threat to politics thats desires equality, justice and solidarity - which can include evrything from social democracy leftwards - yes; they have and are helping to change the terms of debate.

Louis MacNeice
 
What scares me is the seeming lack of embarassment to admit to voting BNP nowadays , I`m pretty sure it was closet voters in previous elections , not any more I think.
 
hammerntongues said:
What scares me is the seeming lack of embarassment to admit to voting BNP nowadays , I`m pretty sure it was closet voters in previous elections , not any more I think.
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really? maybe im ridiculously out of touch (but dont think i am tbf) but i've only met one person who'd admit to voting BNP, although it's not something i've discussed with that many people and i can think of someone i know who isn't that greatly informed (although that's changing) and might well have done, but then again it's equally likely she didn't even vote
 
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