Lobster: "Does not make sense.": I am not a psychologist but did take a couple of semesters worth in my university days (especially Evolutionary Psych which is a great field) and one thing that was discussed was "Convert Fervor." Have you ever noticed how the most extreme in any group are new converts to the group? They have found their calling finally and are in a race to make up for lost time. Subjectively I have been able to oberseve this phenomenon up close , as my wife is a convert.
My point in explaining this is that IF 2 people converted, there is a surely a chance that their allegiance would not be shared by their children but the odds are overwhelmingly against it. It would probably be along the lines of a Chassidic family's child becoming a Buddhist convert. When one is surrounded by an ideology from birth, or a very, very young age they do not tend to explore other paths. It happens but it is very rare.
So, a couple converts, has children and of course sends their children into the Jewish community, whether to Jewish schools or simply to after school programs that are so popular with half assimilated Jews. The child grows up, the converted parents probably do not pick his mate as tradional Jews do but surely encorage him or her to take a Jewish spouse. Is this believable to you? The point is, if one marries Jewish, and their offspring for 3 to 4 generations do, the children of that 3rd or 4th generation will most likely have the same gentic markers that most Jews have.
If genetic markers are too abstract for someone's thinking, they can consider hereditary diseases that are found only in or almost only in Jews. There are more than 4,000 catalouged diseases that fit that bill.
I do not understand why you would imagine that this applies to a first generation convert. The point is this, because we Jews comes in every physical type under the rainbow we have obviously absorbed non-Jewish groups into our gene pool (just like Arabs also come in every concievable physical type) and yet have managed to remain Jewish both in culture and in terms of our genome.
"Related to the Hebrews.": But that is exactly what I am talking about Lobster. Tell me, have you ever expolored any of the many links I have posted on this very subject over hte years? Chromosomal Modalities? Patrilineal markers? Almost all Jews today ARE direct descendants of the people you call Hebrews. This is scientifcally proven.
"Hebrews descended from Afvrica.": First of all, that is the accepted science, that every human on Earth descends from proto-humans who originated in the Great Rift and first migrated to the Middle East and then elsewhere but there is a group in the Physical Anthropological community who maintain origination happened in Asia, or what we now call Asia since the continetal pattern was much different all those eons ago.
No matter where all humanity orginated however, it does not makean iota of difference on the heritage of the Jewish People. Jews are known to have orginated as a group in the area we call Mesopotamia and in 2 gradual waves, migrated to the land now alternatively called Israel and "Palestine."
Through assimilation more than military might we won the land and the last group that Predated us there, the Phillistines, died off about 3,000 years ago (our first arrival dated to 4500 years ago). There were pockets of Phonecians to the north that continued on for some time but the Jews by that time, 3000 years ago, were the main demographic in that area.
You differentiate between Jew and Hebrew when there is no difference.
Nino: But I am the official spokesperson for all Jews. Were you not aware? At the last meeting of the Elders of Zion they chose me in a Christain blood drinking contest and matzoh bakeoff. This is why I alone may use the pronoun "we" when speaking of Jews. Hope that helps.
My point in explaining this is that IF 2 people converted, there is a surely a chance that their allegiance would not be shared by their children but the odds are overwhelmingly against it. It would probably be along the lines of a Chassidic family's child becoming a Buddhist convert. When one is surrounded by an ideology from birth, or a very, very young age they do not tend to explore other paths. It happens but it is very rare.
So, a couple converts, has children and of course sends their children into the Jewish community, whether to Jewish schools or simply to after school programs that are so popular with half assimilated Jews. The child grows up, the converted parents probably do not pick his mate as tradional Jews do but surely encorage him or her to take a Jewish spouse. Is this believable to you? The point is, if one marries Jewish, and their offspring for 3 to 4 generations do, the children of that 3rd or 4th generation will most likely have the same gentic markers that most Jews have.
If genetic markers are too abstract for someone's thinking, they can consider hereditary diseases that are found only in or almost only in Jews. There are more than 4,000 catalouged diseases that fit that bill.
I do not understand why you would imagine that this applies to a first generation convert. The point is this, because we Jews comes in every physical type under the rainbow we have obviously absorbed non-Jewish groups into our gene pool (just like Arabs also come in every concievable physical type) and yet have managed to remain Jewish both in culture and in terms of our genome.
"Related to the Hebrews.": But that is exactly what I am talking about Lobster. Tell me, have you ever expolored any of the many links I have posted on this very subject over hte years? Chromosomal Modalities? Patrilineal markers? Almost all Jews today ARE direct descendants of the people you call Hebrews. This is scientifcally proven.
"Hebrews descended from Afvrica.": First of all, that is the accepted science, that every human on Earth descends from proto-humans who originated in the Great Rift and first migrated to the Middle East and then elsewhere but there is a group in the Physical Anthropological community who maintain origination happened in Asia, or what we now call Asia since the continetal pattern was much different all those eons ago.
No matter where all humanity orginated however, it does not makean iota of difference on the heritage of the Jewish People. Jews are known to have orginated as a group in the area we call Mesopotamia and in 2 gradual waves, migrated to the land now alternatively called Israel and "Palestine."
Through assimilation more than military might we won the land and the last group that Predated us there, the Phillistines, died off about 3,000 years ago (our first arrival dated to 4500 years ago). There were pockets of Phonecians to the north that continued on for some time but the Jews by that time, 3000 years ago, were the main demographic in that area.
You differentiate between Jew and Hebrew when there is no difference.
Nino: But I am the official spokesperson for all Jews. Were you not aware? At the last meeting of the Elders of Zion they chose me in a Christain blood drinking contest and matzoh bakeoff. This is why I alone may use the pronoun "we" when speaking of Jews. Hope that helps.
