Louloubelle
Well-Known Member
maximilian ping said:
you obviously didn't read the article as it has numerous and diverse contributions from different people, each with a valid angle
The Billie Piper / prostitution venture?!
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you obviously didn't read the article as it has numerous and diverse contributions from different people, each with a valid angle
Louloubelle
Well-Known Member
Maggot said:
Yes it is
Not by the BBC but via whatever company is marketing the series
like this for example
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...ews.html?in_article_id=483297&in_page_id=1773
It's easy to make binary arguments that are reductio ad absurdum either way.butchersapron said:
I think it's also potentially easy to gloss over it and make it into a 'should this never be allowed?' or 'is this always right'? question. Which - in turn - would ignore broader issues and far broader problems.
If this was one of a wealth of docudramas portraying prostitution and x% of them portrayed the gritty, shitty reality - then bonzer. Ya know. If it wasn't a complex and largely murky issue surrounded by glib attitudes and a wealth of real pain - then bonzer. Or if those issues were being equally represented instead of being shuffled under a carpet / shoved off to the red light zone / safe and not-us then ok.
As it is... this feels to me like something that's tapping into a glib and superficial wholly unreal situation. OK - maybe 5% of sex workers are in Billie Piper's alleged position. And 95% aren't.
But at the same time it isn't either 'this is always right' or 'this is always wrong' - that's the wrong answer following on from the wrong question. I feel deeply uneasy that a very deep-rooted problem is being portrayed in a light that gives people a leeway. That bullshits over massive problems with gloss and Billie Piper and gives leeway to dismiss sex work as either 'that thing Ann Widdecombe did' or 'that thing with Billie Piper'.
I'm deeply uncomfortable with the way in which it - seemingly - trivialises complex issues.
Which is very different to being a precise answer to the precise question you've framed above
Sweaty Betty
Hemo rising!
Im sure call girls wear the sort of clobber she has on for the marketing shots...ha ha ha
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
mrs quoad said:It's easy to make binary arguments that are reductio ad absurdum either way.
I think it's also potentially easy to gloss over it and make it into a 'should this never be allowed?' or 'is this always right'? question. Which - in turn - would ignore broader issues and far broader problems.
If this was one of a wealth of docudramas portraying prostitution and x% of them portrayed the gritty, shitty reality - then bonzer. Ya know. If it wasn't a complex and largely murky issue surrounded by glib attitudes and a wealth of real pain - then bonzer. Or if those issues were being equally represented instead of being shuffled under a carpet / shoved off to the red light zone / safe and not-us then ok.
As it is... this feels to me like something that's tapping into a glib and superficial wholly unreal situation. OK - maybe 5% of sex workers are in Billie Piper's alleged position. And 95% aren't.
But at the same time it isn't either 'this is always right' or 'this is always wrong' - that's the wrong answer following on from the wrong question. I feel deeply uneasy that a very deep-rooted problem is being portrayed in a light that gives people a leeway. That bullshits over massive problems with gloss and Billie Piper and gives leeway to dismiss sex work as either 'that thing Ann Widdecombe did' or 'that thing with Billie Piper'.
I'm deeply uncomfortable with the way in which it - seemingly - trivialises complex issues.
Which is very different to being a precise answer to the precise question you've framed above
I don't actually have a problem with a single bit of the context evidence above, it's all true - it doesn't change the right to artistic freedom (no matter how shit the output) one iota though. It's an argument for more senstive or relavent work (defined by what though?). There's loads of arguments going on here really - the quality of something, what should be considerd a valid motivation, why? But the overall one must be the right to produce something crap, something sensationalistic and chasing the dollar (a year too late) without inteference on formal grounds.
maximilian ping
Grrrrr
haylz said:
The 'public'- and High Court Judges, like to view prostitutes in the cheeky little minx/whore with a heart box.
I would like (or perhaps wouldn't like) to see the figures for whom this is the only way to stave off the agony of the next comedown.
I've seen it, nowhere near as much as Mrs Quoad of course, but I couldn't handle it.
When you see it, it changes perspectives.
As such, I for one don't think a 'entertaining' programme about prostitution, unless it is very firmly 'Allo 'Allo stylie could be either use, or ornament.
I would like (or perhaps wouldn't like) to see the figures for whom this is the only way to stave off the agony of the next comedown.
I've seen it, nowhere near as much as Mrs Quoad of course, but I couldn't handle it.
When you see it, it changes perspectives.
As such, I for one don't think a 'entertaining' programme about prostitution, unless it is very firmly 'Allo 'Allo stylie could be either use, or ornament.
maximilian ping
Grrrrr
Louloubelle said:
i'm talking about the main body of the article, the bit written by the journalist, not the talking heads
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Regarding the OP - There's a fairly obvious irony in claiming that Fight Club glamourised violence, and then saying about this Billy Piper project "I feel deeply uncomfortable with the way in which it - seemingly - trivialises complex issues". Not to mention inconsistency and quite a lot else.
Kanda
Diving wanker
Didn't realise she'd started writing her blog again.. http://belledejour-uk.blogspot.com/
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Apparently, Billie Piper originally became interested in the project after finding out that a lot of the dialogue was quite similar to the stuff in Doctor Who. After completing one business transaction one of her clients says to her 'You must hear this all the time but it is a lot bigger on the inside than it looks on the outside.'
stdPikachu
Plughole in bathtub curve
mrs quoad said:
I just KNEW those steenkin' feminists had it all wrong! Whoredom - the choice of the Empowered generation.
Arguments about the depiction of prostitution aside, I imagine this is just another shitty ITV stab at ratings-by-titillation-dressed-up-as-Serious-Drama. From the trailers I've seen, it is being portrayed as a genuinely realistic drama. It sounds just like the usual sort of "family-friendly" porn that frequently makes me want to deposit my dinner back on the plate.
miss giggles
an unknown quantity...
i don't have a problem with writing about prostitution. It's true, some call girls make a lot of money, and some enjoy their job.
My problem, is that this book is shite. I worked with sex workers when this book came out, and all the women I knew found it laughable.
In this book, everyone knows what she does, and is ok with it, she goes into graphic detail (sounding very male in my opinion) about the sex, and never mentions money. I have never ever met a sex worker like this, and neither have the girls I worked with.
Contrast this with Martina Cole. Most working girls I met were big fans of her. In fact, that is why I started reading her books. I figured she must be getting something right.
A book about a sex worker, that sex workers don't relate to? I don't understand why Billie Piper has chosen to do this. It's bollocks.
My problem, is that this book is shite. I worked with sex workers when this book came out, and all the women I knew found it laughable.
In this book, everyone knows what she does, and is ok with it, she goes into graphic detail (sounding very male in my opinion) about the sex, and never mentions money. I have never ever met a sex worker like this, and neither have the girls I worked with.
Contrast this with Martina Cole. Most working girls I met were big fans of her. In fact, that is why I started reading her books. I figured she must be getting something right.
A book about a sex worker, that sex workers don't relate to? I don't understand why Billie Piper has chosen to do this. It's bollocks.
untethered
For industry & decency
We need stronger laws to enforce decency in the media to ensure that the most easily influenced people can't be reached this kind of trash.
However, a portrayal of prostitution as entertainment is hardly surprising in a country where it's not even illegal and many newspapers and magazines openly carry prostitutes' advertisements.
However, a portrayal of prostitution as entertainment is hardly surprising in a country where it's not even illegal and many newspapers and magazines openly carry prostitutes' advertisements.
stdPikachu
Plughole in bathtub curve
untethered said:
No. As much as I'm opposed to peurile trash like this promises to be, no fucking way am I going to agree to some arbirary standard of "decency". If it's ridiculous, then shine a spotlight on it and show the ridiculousness in full glory. Hide it behind a silk curtain and people will believe it's a wizard.
untethered
For industry & decency
stdPikachu said:
Such "arbitrary" standards already exist. They just need to be strengthened.
Your point would be a valid one were it not for the fact that there are many cynical, greedy and manipulative people in this country (and elsewhere) who are quite happy to drag standards as low as possible so long as they can make a few quid on the way.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
There are some good thoughts in there.hippogriff said:
My main concern about a program like this is that it provides validation to men who want to exploit women. Which is not far from outright misogyny.
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