The 'big jock knew' thread

[inflatable jesus]

I was raised catholic in a loyalist town in Northern ireland you deluded fuckwit, I dare say I know more about this shit than anything you might have picked up in books.

And I was raised as Catholic in a protestant area of Glasgow. I think I know a lot more about the Celtic-Rangers issue than you do and yet here you are spouting off your poorly formed opinion on any subject that happens to cross your stupid little mind.

The issue of sectarianism in Scotland is a complex one. To actually understand it, requires a knowledge of the various factors that led to the ugly situation that we have now. There are a number of well reasoned out and informed things you could say about it. There are a number of things that could be done to de-escalate the hostility. But what do we get from arseholes like you? Stupid statements like 'I also hate irish nationalists, I hate them cos it's just as fucking bigotted and narrow minded as loyalism.'

Well that's just fucking wonderful isn't it? Thanks for sharing. I'm sure there's a Nobel peace prize winging it's way to you right now.

 

[revol68]

So can I presume then that you accept that you're wrong about my use of the term 'hun' and accept that in Scotland it's used quite uncontroversially to refer to Rangers Supporters. If you're from another country I can understand why you wouldn't know this. However this doesn't excuse you from going on the offensive about it and acting like a prick.

No i've always known that fannies in scotland bandy it around without understanding what it really means. And it's not a matter of me not knowing, it's a matter of plastic paddies and legoland loyalists in Scotland not knowing, like everything else the sad cunts treat sectarianism and irish history as simple minded props for little morality plays of good versus evil.

I mean the irony of it all, youse wrap yourself up in Oirish culture and history and then have the nerve to tell people who actually live in Ireland, who grew up with the sectarian shite you so lovingly embrace that 'oh actually youse are wrong, it doesn't mean that here'. Yes it doesn't mean that to you cause for all your fucking flag waving all your 'oirishness' youse aren't actually fucking irish and are on the whole ignorant of irish history beyond simple minded sloganeering and songs.

 

[revol68]

And I was raised as Catholic in a protestant area of Glasgow. I think I know a lot more about the Celtic-Rangers issue than you do and yet here you are spouting off your poorly formed opinion on any subject that happens to cross your stupid little mind.

The issue of sectarianism in Scotland is a complex one. To actually understand it, requires a knowledge of the various factors that led to the ugly situation that we have now. There are a number of well reasoned out and informed things you could say about it. There are a number of things that could be done to de-escalate the hostility. But what do we get from arseholes like you? Stupid statements like 'I also hate irish nationalists, I hate them cos it's just as fucking bigotted and narrow minded as loyalism.'

Well that's just fucking wonderful isn't it? Thanks for sharing. I'm sure there's a Nobel peace prize winging it's way to you right now.

i'm sure you probably do know more about Celtic and Rangers but I actually know more about the shit the cunts base their whole pathetic identities on. You've grown up with the theme park approved simulacra.

Actually scrap that, Celtic and Rangers rivalry is far deeper and serious over here than in Glasgow. When was the last time working classcommunties threw petrol bombs at each other over an Old Firm result in Glasgow?

 

[inflatable jesus]

Well, that's really the problem right there isn't it? You don't actually understand anything about the issue. You hear terms like 'hun' and you presume it means something else, you see the flags and hear the songs and you don't actually understand why.

You don't understand the sectarianism in Scotland is not just copycating what happens in Northern Ireland and you don't understand the history of Irish immigration into Scotland.

Of course that doesn't stop you carrying on like a cunt.

 

[revol68]

Well, that's really the problem right there isn't it? You don't actually understand anything about the issue. You hear terms like 'hun' and you presume it means something else, you see the flags and hear the songs and you don't actually understand why.

You don't understand the sectarianism in Scotland is not just copycating what happens in Northern Ireland and you don't understand the history of Irish immigration into Scotland.

Of course that doesn't stop you carrying on like a cunt.

eh no I get all that, like I said hun is a term for protestants, the fact that it's morphed in scotland to refer simply to Rangers fans is a product of the fact that what remains of sectarianism in scotland is toytown stuff, whilst in Northern Ireland it's far from it, yet our scottish old firm fannies still insist on heorically acting out sectarian conflict from a position of safety, waving their tri colours and red hands, singing songs about the IRA and UVF, giving it the big man sloganeering and political posteuring with out having to deal with the reality of it beyond a few scraps after the football. Like the sad orange cunts who flock into Belfast from Scotland for the twelfth of July, they are cretins, cunts of the highest order over to have a wee holiday in other peoples misery.

 

[Red Faction]

 

[inflatable jesus]

eh no I get all that, like I said hun is a term for protestants, the fact that it's morphed in scotland to refer simply to Rangers fans is a product of the fact that what remains of sectarianism in scotland is toytown stuff

So you accept then that 'hun' does not mean protestant when used by Scottish people to refer to Rangers supporters?

There are several reasons why both Celtic and Rangers fans take an interest in the affairs of Northern Ireland. They are complex and I'm not going to waste my time spelling it out for you. But they go far beyond 'holidaying in other people's misery' and people who want to reduce the whole thing to simplistic statements are a big part of the reason why we never actually manage to move past it.

 

[tommers]

i thought it was hun because of the house of hanover?

 

[Chorlton]

Christ almighty you are a fucking tool revol. An absolute fucking tool - give you a rope and you don't just hang yourself - you put fucking suspenders on, put an orange in your mouth and put the fucking outcome on youtube.

 

[revol68]

Christ almighty you are a fucking tool revol. An absolute fucking tool - give you a rope and you don't just hang yourself - you put fucking suspenders on, put an orange in your mouth and put the fucking outcome on youtube.

yes dear because everyone now agrees with you that there is nothing at all in the suggestions that Big Jock Knew.

Now fuck off and get back to supporting your plastic paddies in a joke league.

 

[Chorlton]

yes dear because everyone now agrees with you that there is nothing at all in the suggestions that Big Jock Knew.

not everyone here knew what your tag meant - i just wanted to start a wee thread so you could tell everyone about your support for this campaign - you haven't let me down kiddo.

Now fuck off and get back to supporting your plastic paddies in a joke league.

I'm just back in from the oval watching glentoran vs linfield - you know, your local teams - your in no position to talk to me about shit leagues - actually you are in little position to tell me fuck all with your season ticket to Sky.

 

[revol68]

not everyone here knew what your tag meant - i just wanted to start a wee thread so you could tell everyone about your support for this campaign - you haven't let me down kiddo.



I'm just back in from the oval watching glentoran vs linfield - you know, your local teams - your in no position to talk to me about shit leagues - actually you are in little position to tell me fuck all with your season ticket to Sky.

Good luck with that, don't know why you;d bother if you aren't a glens or linfield fan, I've went to a few games with my Crusaders supporting mate but to be honest paying a tenner to watch the shite that's churned out in the Irish league sitting in deserted grounds doesn't do anything for me, I just went for the banter with my mate, the 'football' was so bad that if they'd been playing out the back i'd have put my dog on them.

Instead I had a lovely time drinking tea, watching three games on Sky (including the Glens) and the Man Utd match on a stream. Oh look at me, I'm terrible, I like football for enjoyment not as some sort of penance.

p.s. Linfield are cunts and i'm glad the glens finally did them over.

 

[Balbi]

revol's tagline should read 'press red for more'....

 

[revol68]

revol's tagline should read 'press red for more'....

lol

anyway it's finally worked, three weeks spent with that tag and no fecking reaction from the Bhoys.

 

[Balbi]

that's because you're only worth a massive thread in politics on you not getting the slap you so often ask for at some crusty anarkid pamphlet fair

 

[Chorlton]

Instead I had a lovely time drinking tea, watching three games on Sky (including the Glens) and the Man Utd match on a stream. Oh look at me, I'm terrible, I like football for enjoyment not as some sort of penance.

THEY BLEED: Revol68

Your happiest moment as a football fan? 25 May 1999.. the atmosphere was electric and i fell off my sofa with excitement as the winner went in

Worst aggro seen as a football fan? by united it would have to be the time i posted the michael shields song on shankly gates - fuckenhell it kicked right off!

worst away ground the gantry at white hart lane is rubbish and the cameras can't get in close to theaction.


See revol - you don't do football as a penance because you don't do football at all - sitting watching 15 to 1 does not make you a fan of pub quizzes - you genuinely have not got a clue other than gloating on message board - you don't have the first fucking notion about supporting a team - you are a fucking expert at coming across as an absolute fucking belter on the internets i'll give you that, and indeed if being a football fan really was about being a no nowt twat coming across as the very embodyment of the replica shirted loud mouth cunt that sits in pubs screaming at the tv like some flabby armed mentalist - then, you sir would surely be king of them all. Support celtic? don't even think about it on this message board see Revol KNOWS all that shit - he fucking lived it - and despite the fact that you have little time for sectarianism - revol is here to put you in your place - he's never been to a game, he has no need - he has lived in larne and has broadband - so fuck you timmy. Support liverpool - well fuck you as well because here comes a tedious cunt from ireland who has never been to his teams home ground to tell you that you are in fact the king of wrong.... Revol doen't have a favourite away ground, he doesn't need one, he has no time for the great atmosphere at a boxing day derby and he has certainly no intention of going to a game any time soon - revol has sky, broadband and has lived in northern ireland - so understands so much more REAL FUCKING LIFE than you ever will.

 

[revol68]

you want a star on your arse for going to some football matches? Is it like nam?

I watch and play football for enjoyment not so I can boast like some nerd about what matches I've been to, or what grounds. I simply don't enjoy watching Larne or any of the other duffers who boot the ball about in the Irish league to spend 10 quid and my saturday afternoon watching them from a wind swept deserted stand and i'm not about to start pretending to in order to earn some sort of kudos from a plastic paddy chimp on urban. I grew up in a house swamped with football, my dad managed football teams all my life, I've been watching football since I was 5 and played it regularly until I was 15 and every other fucker hit puberty and turnt into a monster. I don't tell you this as some sort of sad attempt to assert what a 'top footie mad' gimp I am, fuck liking football is hardly some rarity, it's as common as muck. It certainly isn't something to boast about, "ohh well I really really really really really really times ten million like football", brilliant what age are we 8, if that's the case may I suggest you marry Glasgow Celtic or maybe even offer one of the coaches a handjob (you might be a bit old now though).

If I lived in England i'd go watch more matches, fuck i'd be over the moon to even have a local 1st or 2nd division side to cheer on, but if I did go that would be based on me wanting to go not on some sublimated catholic penance. I mean really you get to football matches, congratulations on the bravery, it must be so tough for you, obviously you're too much of a hero to go because you enjoy it, nah obviously your's is a higher calling.

I've never had anytime for that bullshit 'football as religion' shite that so many cheesy bastards come out with, the whole 'life and death' Shankly bollox or that muppet with the 'United, Kids, Wife: In that order" banner. Either they are just acting up and don't really mean it or they are seriously sad bastards who need to get their priorities straightened. The simple fact is that football is a form of entertainment, you do it because you enjoy it not out of some 'calling' or some nonsense about it being 'in the blood'.

As it is if I could go to see United week in week out i'd love to, it wouldn't be a duty, it wouldn't be something to act the martyr about, as if i'd put myself out for "the lads", to become a 'top red' that I was somehow better than those who are stuck watching in a pub or on a shitty stream. It would be a fucking pleasure and a previlege and one I can't afford to enjoy.

As for what going to live games has got to do with me slagging off liverpool or celtic i'll never know, whether I have a box filled with coke and high class hookers or a season ticket in the Stretford end or sit in warm pub with a dodgy greek satelite dish, it makes fuck all difference to Liverpool's chances of winning the league or how deluded their fans are to think they can win the league. Nor does my attendance at football grounds affect the sectarianism of the Old Firm, nor the tedious shite their respective fans spout about irish politics.

To be honest your whole post is embarrassing, it reads identical to the pathetic geek snobbery of any subculture, like the hardcore music fan, it's not simply about enjoying the music, it becomes some sort of sad identity, a whole 'lifestyle', seeing Refused live in 1997 gives you bragging rights, makes your opinion automatically more valid on everything. God forbid anyone admitted that they are into music to enjoy themselves, oh fuck no, instead it's about supporting 'the scene', going to see a band in Glasgow is no longer an excuse for a piss up in a shitty van and a good time, nah it's a pilgrimage.

Also football is not REAL FUCKING LIFE you sad bastard, it's an enjoyable distraction, admittedly a rather brilliant one but not a life style, religion or calling. So drop the fucking cheesy bollox, catch yourself on and bring yourself to terms that Celtic are only a fucking football team, Jock Stein only a football manager, not a fucking Saint and then maybe just maybe you won't be so blind to the fact Big Jock Knew and even better you might not get so wound up at Rangers fans taking the pish about it.

p.s. I still live in belfast.

p.p.s. I would not be seen dead in my replica shirt outside the house or five a side, I think it's fucking sad grown men wearing football tops to pubs, I mean really what happens if there's a cute girl there.

 

[Chorlton]

p.s. I still live in belfast.

you still post like another tedious northern irish twat who has never left his own fucking backyard and believes that coming from a shit hole town somehow gives him free reign to lecture wildly on any and every topic and relate it back to 'The Troubles™' as it appears to be the only subject on which you are on safe ground purely by the fact that you were born in a shit town.

you are another tedious northern irish cunt revol, an expert on everything without knowing the first fuck all about anything but not afraid to let that get in the way.

You don't have the first fucking clue about celtic football club other than the fact that some people you don't like wear celtic shirts and people with scottish accents sing irish songs - so now thanks to broadband you can become an expert. You don't have the first fucking clue about english football because you chose to support a succesful team and watch them safely from your favourite bar-stool rather than go to a game - and you don't have the first fucking clue about irish league because you get intimidated by the nasty fans and you believe the standard to be poor - this is not about being an uber-fan by any stretch but is merely pointing out to you that your opinion isn't worth a fuck because you are another dumb fucking tourist with internet access.

 

[Balbi]

Revol's a football supporter. Not a one club man. He'll never understand

 

[revol68]

oh deary me, Chorlton has lost the plot, unable to actually make a cogent argument he's reduced to ranting in the wind about me being a northern irish cunt with no clue but a broadband connection.

Tell us dear Chorlton what epistemological model have you managed to chalk together? It' pretty cutting edge from what I can tell, apparently going to a few games allows one a privileged insight into the past, to know whether Jock Stein knew about the abuse at Celtic bhoys or not. Singing rebel songs at Parkhead also grants one a crystal clear insight into sectarianism and irish history. This epistemological model is soo advanced that it is simply incompatiable with outdated forms of discussion like reason, logic and debate, afterall going to a few football matches gives one something akin to the view of god.

Knob.

Tell me Chorlton what if you are arguing with some retarded Rangers fan thats been going to football matches longer than you? Do you roll over to his superior 'knowledge', the force of his argument that stems from his seat at Ibrox?

p.s. the only arugment i've heard of some worth is that watching a match at the ground gives a better picture of the match overall than watching it on tv, I think that's true if you get high central seats but the few times i've been stuck behind the goals it becomes obvious that it's much harder to read the game.

 

[revol68]

Revol's a football supporter. Not a one club man. He'll never understand

anh i only support Man Utd, would check the Larne scores but i'd not go see them too often, certainly wouldn't want to get involved with the club, a bunch of retards led by a charlatan fraudster.

 

[Balbi]

anh i only support Man Utd, would check the Larne scores but i'd not go see them too often, certainly wouldn't want to get involved with the club, a bunch of retards led by a charlatan fraudster.

Isn't that Sunday dinner round at yours chap?

 

[revol68]

Isn't that Sunday dinner round at yours chap?

In english?

 

[Deareg]

revol you still haven't convinced me that jock stein was guilty of the accusations, you have come up with one half arsed news paper story on a site run by a bigot, is this the best that you can do?

 

[revol68]

revol you still haven't convinced me that jock stein was guilty of the accusations, you have come up with one half arsed news paper story on a site run by a bigot, is this the best that you can do?

that story is originally from the Daily Records reporting on the court testimony, it's just reproduced there, if you want the original you need to pay for archive access.

 

[david dissadent]

Ive just come back from a holiday with my family just outside Glasgow.

To read a thread like this would make you cringe to be Scottish, all the vitiolic sectarian hate and bullshit about how one side is better than the other.

Luckily I have family and friends who remind me that Celtic fans can be relaxed, self depricating and friendly while Rangers fan can be liberal minded, open in there friendship and without bitterness.

The cunts in this thread are are as bad as each other and a humiliation on all Scots, Irish, infact a humiliation on human beings generaly.

 

[N_igma]

you still post like another tedious northern irish twat who has never left his own fucking backyard and believes that coming from a shit hole town somehow gives him free reign to lecture wildly on any and every topic and relate it back to 'The Troubles™' as it appears to be the only subject on which you are on safe ground purely by the fact that you were born in a shit town.

you are another tedious northern irish cunt revol, an expert on everything without knowing the first fuck all about anything but not afraid to let that get in the way.

You don't have the first fucking clue about celtic football club other than the fact that some people you don't like wear celtic shirts and people with scottish accents sing irish songs - so now thanks to broadband you can become an expert. You don't have the first fucking clue about english football because you chose to support a succesful team and watch them safely from your favourite bar-stool rather than go to a game - and you don't have the first fucking clue about irish league because you get intimidated by the nasty fans and you believe the standard to be poor - this is not about being an uber-fan by any stretch but is merely pointing out to you that your opinion isn't worth a fuck because you are another dumb fucking tourist with internet access.

Oi we're not all that bad. I've been to see Celtic play quite a few times!

 

[Deareg]

Ive just come back from a holiday with my family just outside Glasgow.

To read a thread like this would make you cringe to be Scottish, all the vitiolic sectarian hate and bullshit about how one side is better than the other.

Luckily I have family and friends who remind me that Celtic fans can be relaxed, self depricating and friendly while Rangers fan can be liberal minded, open in there friendship and without bitterness.

The cunts in this thread are are as bad as each other and a humiliation on all Scots, Irish, infact a humiliation on human beings generaly.

are you actually talking about this thread? what fucking sectarian vitriol,are you talking about? the only bitter shite that i have read is from revol and that is inverted,

 

[revol68]

are you actually talking about this thread? what fucking sectarian vitriol,are you talking about? the only bitter shite that i have read is from revol and that is inverted,

it's true I have a fucking burning hatred for the sectarian gimps that cheer on both rangers and celtic, my only wish is that there were some deluded rangers fans on here to wind up, might not make look like such a self hating taig.

 

[revol68]

Oi we're not all that bad. I've been to see Celtic play quite a few times!

I've seen Portsmouth play more times than United, I hope it doesn't make a homosexual sailor.