The Ashes 2019

Discussion in 'general sports' started by Monkeygrinder's Organ, Jul 15, 2019.

  1. Idaho

    Idaho blah blah blah

    It's not right to put pressure on any of our batters. They don't respond well.

    Remember when root was a cheery and chirpy kid? He looks in pain whenever I see him now.
     
  2. mhendo

    mhendo Aussie in Connecticut

    It's not the Ashes, but check out this catch from the Indian domestic competition:



    Fuck me!
     
  3. Casual Observer

    Casual Observer binoculars

    Tim Paine must be taking the piss. The Oval in September is a bat first decision if ever there was one. Paine elects to bowl.
     
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  4. QueenOfGoths

    QueenOfGoths Fuck you Dave!

    Right. Come on England. The Ashes are gone but you can level the series!!
     
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  5. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank If it's alive, don't lick it.

    Still, at least he makes up for his shit captaincy by being shit at batting and keeping as well.
     
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  6. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank If it's alive, don't lick it.

    Glad it's not just me.
     
  7. Casual Observer

    Casual Observer binoculars

    A straight faced Justin Langer described him as the best wicket keeper in the world after the Old Trafford test. A welcome moment of humour on an otherwise sad day.
     
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  8. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank If it's alive, don't lick it.

    This is already the opening partnership of the series I think.
     
  9. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    Burns has the mindset of an opener. Whether or not he had the ability to play at this standard is still open to question but when the cupboard is this empty you feel he is going to have a long run in the side.

    Denly has neither the mindset or the game to be an opener at this level.

    ETA: In fairness I should probably add that its been a horrible series for opening batsman. In that sense Burns has been far better than anyone else.
     
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  10. kabbes

    kabbes "A top 400 poster"

    Base rate fallacy - Wikipedia

    Always consider the conditions, the players, the context... and then choose to bat first.
     
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  11. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank If it's alive, don't lick it.

    Presumably the 'base rate' in this case is the fact that a team batting first in a test has historically been more likely to win?
     
  12. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    England's highest opening partnership of the series. 27!

    Just weird bowling first. As mentioned on commentary, the bowlers could have done with another day's rest, aside from anything else. Aus just don't trust their batters.
     
  13. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Not just a bit more likely either, twice as likely.

    And a wicket. :mad:
     
  14. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank If it's alive, don't lick it.

    Well it was good while it lasted.
     
  15. kabbes

    kabbes "A top 400 poster"

    As lbj says, it's not even close. There's a very small chance at best that the specific factors relating to this test match are so overwhelming as to overcome that 2:1 historic result.
     
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  16. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    Its the technique of Denly's. He plays at far too many balls for an opener. It's not his fault as he's clearly not a test opener just as Jason Roy is clearly not a test opener. It's painfully obvious watching them bat just for a few minutes.

    I do think serious questions have to be asked of the selectors. They are not up to the job, frankly.
     
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  17. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Smith got lucky with his punt on Buttler last year, but his punts since then have been poor. Ironically, for someone who's written a book about luck, I suspect that he didn't realise his initial success was mostly luck on his part.
     
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  18. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Root's a lucky boy. Dismissal to that Siddle catch would have been a really poor one. Let's hope makes it count.

    86-1 = Great Morning. And the Sun is out. Really really really really odd decision to bowl first. :D
     
  19. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    This has aged well.

    What is it with Paine? Didn't go for one that was obviously his in the last test and now goes one handed at one that is obviously slip's. If I was Warner I'd be thinking about a helmet because sooner or later Paine is going to deflect one into his face.
     
  20. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Just watched that. Another terrible shot from Root tbh, two awful shots to give those chances. He really is horribly out of nick.

    But Paine got there ok. Isn't there a school of thought that says the keeper should go for it when he thinks he can because he's the man with the gloves? He was already moving in that direction (so wide was the delivery). Has to be said that Warner looked to be in the perfect position, hands ready in front of his face. Paine snatched at it.
     
  21. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    If its dying on you then the keeper should go for it as they stand closer than 1st slip. Also if it goes straight up its the keepers ball because they have the gloves. This was clearly 1st slip's catch though as it came through at a lovely height. It the old saying - if you go you better make sure you catch it.

    This all being said he should have caught it anyway. I don't know how many here keep wicket or have done so in the past but having gloves makes it so much easier to catch the ball, they're not baseball mitts but they're not far off. I always think that if you get a glove to the ball (any more than just finger tips) than you should take the catch. Paine should have left it for slip or he should have caught it. Its just another in a line of very poor actions by Paine. I really like him as a guy but as a player he is not fit to play for Oz let alone captain.
     
  22. planetgeli

    planetgeli There's no future in England's dreaming

    We live in hope.
     
  23. planetgeli

    planetgeli There's no future in England's dreaming

    Just to stir the pot about Burns. One way of looking at it is he’s scored more runs in a home Ashes series than Cook ever did.

    Another way is that if he gets out for 0 in the second innings, he will have virtually an identical average (4 runs more in 24 innings) to Keaton Jennings at the same stage.
     
  24. Casual Observer

    Casual Observer binoculars

    Jennings wasn't opening against Cummins, Hazlewood, Starc etc. in England, the home of swing bowling. Not a valid pot stir.
     
  25. planetgeli

    planetgeli There's no future in England's dreaming

    India against their best attack, South Africa against Rebada, Philander and Morkel, century in Galle...
     
  26. Casual Observer

    Casual Observer binoculars

    A couple of posts back, you were comparing the averages of Jennings and Burns at the same stage i.e. after 12 matches as that's what Burns will have played at the end of this one. The Galle century from Jennings that you refer to didn't come in his first 12 matches, so is outside the narrow parameter that you set.

    The India attack in India was hardly their 'best attack'. Bumrah didn't play in those tests. Philander had diarrhea for some of the End v SA series too.

    Anyway, it's a great day for batting.
     
  27. planetgeli

    planetgeli There's no future in England's dreaming

    Jennings had two d.n.b

    Hence the parameters are correct. 24 completed innings as stated.

    And if Bumrah wasn't playing how did he manage to get Jennings out? Twice.

    And Philander got him 3 times.
     
  28. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    I agree that they are very comparable. Mirror images - Jennings poor at home, Burns poor away - but both mediocre overall.

    But Burns has had a decent series, if not a commanding one. He certainly deserves a longer run. Denly, I'm afraid, isn't what England need at the moment. In tests he should be coming in at five. England don't need a number five.
     
  29. Casual Observer

    Casual Observer binoculars

    I said Bumrah didn't play in the away series in India, so that can't be deemed 'India's best attack'. The Bumrah dismissals you refer to were in the home series.

    You say Philander got Jennings out 3 times. Precisely. Philander missed a match in that series and was on and off the field with diarrhea for another. My point is that that bowling attack (Rebada, Morkel near the end of his international career and a diarrhea-troubled Philander) isn't that great (compared, say, to what Burns has faced in this series).

    I'm not sure why you fixate on Burns. He's been one of the few successes of the series. England have much bigger problems.
     
  30. planetgeli

    planetgeli There's no future in England's dreaming

    Tbf, I'm deliberately stirring because of the shit I got (Katie Hopkins) for daring to suggest Burns wasn't the finished article after he'd scored a century.

    He may well get a match winning century in the 2nd innings and, as I said back at that time, I'd be happy to be proved wrong. Because boy are we desperate for talent.
     
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