The Ashes 2017-18

Discussion in 'general sports' started by planetgeli, Nov 3, 2017.

  1. Reiabuzz

    Reiabuzz Banned Banned

    Who do you think was responsible for the twitter account?
     
  2. PaoloSanchez

    PaoloSanchez Well-Known Member

    I have no idea, and tbh I didn't pay too much attention to the story. I don't even know what the twitter shizzniz was about, and didn't really care. He's denied it so I'll assume he's telling the truth until I see evidence to the contrary, innocent until proven guilty. I won't be relying on "open secrets".
     
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  3. Casual Observer

    Casual Observer binoculars

    Haven't checked the result or read the comments on here and am about to watch the highlights show. I reckon if super Malan and Jonny B can last the best part of two sessions with a bit of help from the rain, then we might just nick a draw which will set us up nicely for Melbourne.

    Watching the highlights now as I type. What the? Oh fuck! Jesus Christ!! Bastards!!
     
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  4. planetgeli

    planetgeli There's no future in England's dreaming

    If you're not good enough to begin with, then you're certainly not going to be good enough without any practice. That applies in any sport I've ever played. The warm-up for this match involved the England Lions captained by Moeen Ali. Who didn't bowl. What the fuck was that all about?

    If you're looking for someone to drop, try Bayliss.
     
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  5. planetgeli

    planetgeli There's no future in England's dreaming

    Have some stats.

    England have now lost 3 times in just over the last 12 months by an innings after scoring 400+. Previous to this it had happened only twice in the history of Test cricket.

    England's average number of overs bowled in the first innings of their last 7 away Tests was 155. Even before this game.

    Broad's last 5 wicket haul was in Jan 2016. His last 4 wicket haul was Nov 2016. In 2017 his bowling average in Tests is 38.28. In the same period, Anderson's is 17.63. Discuss?

    Root's average as captain is still over 50. His average as not captain is 52.

    Most of those stats taken from the following article which is more than worth a read and that makes the point that it wasn't the English team that was beaten so much as the English system.

    Sense of inevitability to England's toil and trouble
     
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  6. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    I asked at the start of the series if it was too early to start worrying about Stuart Broad. It may soon be too late to start worrying about him.

    A few years ago he was not my favourite player by any means, but various events changed my opinion of him. He's a lot tougher than he used to look. I still wouldn't drop him for anyone else in this squad, but the time to perform is surely now. Same for Alastair Cook, tbh. That's the problem when you hit your 30s - once you're dropped you're probably never coming back. I think I may be right in saying that neither of them has ever been dropped.
     
  7. Mumbles274

    Mumbles274 running from law and the press and the parents

    Cook has played something like 148 tests in a row, if not a record, about to beat it. No, don't think Broad has been dropped, has had injuries, but not dropped
     
  8. Casual Observer

    Casual Observer binoculars

    Cook is the biggest disappointment for me. He was on the slide during the summer but I hoped he'd come good here despite a shit Aus tour last time. Two of his four scoring shots are the cut and the pull - ideal for Perth - but it wasn't to be. As Ponting says, his confidence is gone and he's forgotten how to score runs let alone how to not give his wicket away. He's had a couple of slumps before but never one as long as this. Not sure what the answer is really.
     
  9. Mumbles274

    Mumbles274 running from law and the press and the parents

    Runs for his county?
     
  10. OzT

    OzT Online early mornings when at work ....

    Only cause he's not built for running between the wickets . ... :)
     
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  11. Knackers

    Knackers New Member

    Well well,where are my little pommy playmates,thought i would,like a true colonial lad,return to gloat and ask your opinion on how good we are.
    On the other hand i could not be bothered reading the previous 23 pages on how bad England is
    From what i have seen England has the nucleus of a top side,Cook,Ali and Broad should give it away,respect to Anderson but he will be over the hill shortly,the rest have the stuff you need
    Good luck my long suffering tragics,things will get better unfortunately for your lot it wont be in this series
     
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  12. Reiabuzz

    Reiabuzz Banned Banned

    Smith will score another double against this attack. Oz by an innings again. They should end the suffering now.
     
  13. planetgeli

    planetgeli There's no future in England's dreaming

    It’s all a bit masochistic isn’t it.
     
  14. Doctor Carrot

    Doctor Carrot Bear Grylls grills bare bears

    Have the laws changed recently or have I just got it wrong? I thought that as long as any part of the foot was on the line it was a faur delivery? Curran's heel looks on the line to me.
     
  15. Mumbles274

    Mumbles274 running from law and the press and the parents

    The line is the umpire's, the foot doesn't have to be grounded but as it lands some part has to be behind the line. I don't think the law has changed. For runs if memory services the batsmen is home as soon as in contact with the line/ popping crease.

    Ali bowled less than Malan today. Anyone still for him playing in this test and the next or do you still think it was 'madness' to suggest dropping him?

    Unless he scores a big amount of runs or suddenly learns how to bowl properly, and he can't bowl spin properly.. He's got to be dropped for his own good. He'll come back better I'm sure but at the moment is not performing well enough by anyone's standards :(
     
  16. Mumbles274

    Mumbles274 running from law and the press and the parents

    No, memory doesn't serve!! Behind the crease for a run out ha ha
     
  17. Doctor Carrot

    Doctor Carrot Bear Grylls grills bare bears

    Just looked it up. Part of the foot has to be behind the line and not merely on it. Curran's wasn't behind it.
     
  18. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Part of foot behind line as foot lands. Doesn't have to be grounded and can slide forwards before ball is released.
     
  19. planetgeli

    planetgeli There's no future in England's dreaming

    Do you reckon you’d get 131 test wickets without bowling spin ‘properly’? Shame your memory doesn’t go back to match winning performances, let alone hat tricks, last summer.

    He’s injured. His spinning finger is fucked and it’s the worst unkept secret of the tour. Dropping players every two tests is a return to the really crap old days of selection nightmare we suffered throughout the 1980s and 90s. You think Mason Crane will do better? Get more runs?

    The squad is weak. Ali is far from the only weak point. But he is one of the few with a genuine reason/excuse.
     
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  20. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    But that in itself is an indictment of the squad selection. Moeen should have been dropped until he was fit or picked as a specialist bat. They did neither cos they have no faith in Crane. I have no idea why he is there. It makes no sense.
     
  21. Mumbles274

    Mumbles274 running from law and the press and the parents

    What has it got to do with me bowling spin? He doesn't bowl spin properly. His revs arent in the right orientation apparently so he doesn't get the bounce and penetration that specialist spin bowlers get. He gets wickets in English conditions but didn't have much effect in India, although didn't go for a lot of runs.

    Not sure why you want to defend him so? I'll take the opinions of former spin bowlers who think as much as well, echoing what I've said before. He is a batsmen that has done well with the ball true, but he's no specialist and has been in poor form and as you say injured. Dropping him is not like the bad old days but the right selection at this time. I remember a certain Joe Root getting dropped and coming back stronger. No one has said Ali should never play tests again. You've got a few new batsmen that by your argument shouldn't be dropped like the bad old days, Cook, Root, Broad and Anderson haven't been in their best form and highly unlikely to be dropped so where does that leave the weak squad.. How about the guy with the fucked finger that can't bowl properly whether through injury or that he is not a specialist and in a poor run of form? And you cant judge a player that hasn't played so far on the wickets or run he hasn't taken yet
     
  22. planetgeli

    planetgeli There's no future in England's dreaming

    Good grief mumbles. I didn’t mean you personally. I meant ‘one’. I defend him because he has had several match winning performances recently. He has a decent amount of wickets abroad, something like 54. His batting is far superior to any alternative. The King of Spain held his place with far worse figures, both in batting and bowling. Ali was not in poor form before injury.

    My argument for not dropping batsmen every two tests does not preclude someone like Cook being dropped after 150+ consecutive tests. Anderson is in fine form, great form compared to any other bowlers we have. 17 per wicket over the last two years.

    And yes, I can judge Mason Crane.
     
  23. Reiabuzz

    Reiabuzz Banned Banned

    Anderson is not in fine form. He’s just marginally less shit than everyone else on this mess of a tour.
     
  24. diond

    diond Well-Known Member

    This no ball of Curran's. I've seen replays that show that no part of his foot was behind the line whilst being planted, so I agree that it was a no-ball, but whenever somebody is given out, is there always a replay of the bowler's action to make sure it's a legit delivery?

    I haven't seen any highlights of the match so far, but I'm sure I read that Warner was almost off the pitch before being called back to the crease following the replay? What are the rules? If the batsman walks, could they be back in the pavilion and un-padding and still be called back to the crease? I know it might sound daft, but is there a time limit for the decision to stand?
     
  25. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Batsman has to still be on the field. Once he's crossed the boundary that's it.

    It's high time there was a third ump watching no balls imo.
     
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  26. Mumbles274

    Mumbles274 running from law and the press and the parents

    Well the analysis of Moeen stands, you don't agree which is fair enough. He has bowled well in the past and he is one of the most pleasing batsmen to watch when he is in form. This has not been his series though from the off, maybe rested would be a better term than dropped!

    As for today's play. first test i haven't done the night shift for and England turn up in a dead rubber!! Cook just got his ton, Root closing on 50. 4 wickets for Broad in an Aus collapse. :facepalm:
     
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  27. mwgdrwg

    mwgdrwg Be a Pisces. Jam.

    Just listened to the last half hour, and the highlights should be good. It is a dead rubber, but avoiding a whitewash would be something now.
     
  28. planetgeli

    planetgeli There's no future in England's dreaming

    Bloody hell. Cricket. You’ll never know what you’ll wake up to. Well, you do. Until you don’t. Now let’s put together more than one day.

    (Though I’m still thinking this is the difference Starc, or no Starc, makes. Not to mention Broad getting four for first time in 13 months).
     
  29. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Now have to do what they've failed to do so far - win two days in a row.
     
  30. planetgeli

    planetgeli There's no future in England's dreaming

    Aus lost their last five wickets for 13 runs. Going to actually see some bloody highlights in 45 mins.
     

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