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I saw that and remember it now thanks gosub.

Im also thinking of criminal prosecutions against scum like Hoon.

Not yet. File on 4 this afternoon covered a few other failings, most notably the 2006 Nimrod crash, where the relatives are also going down the breach of Article 2 Right to Life of the Human Rights Act. If anything they have a better case, what with the then Defense Minister apologizing for MoD failings. Though if this was a civilian outfit, without fatalities they would have had their AOC suspended and given notice of rectifications to be carried out then pulled for not carrying them out. With the fatalities in aircraft deemed unworthy of a CofA thats jail for the Accountable Manager.
 
The "tools for the job" need to be determined by the government, who decide how politically important the objectives are.
The government determine procurement (and fuck up at managing it spectacularly because[/b of playing politics with it), they don't determine "the tools for the job". I for one am fucking glad that the government didn't get to determine the last two service rifles, because if they had, we'd have probably been lumbered with an even worse option than the L85 variants or the inch-pattern FN FAL variant we had, Think "Martini-Henry" for the 21st century.
By exactly the same token, when the government promises the police the necessary powers and tools to fight terrorism it's still up to the government, in Parliament, to decide exactly what those are.
There was me thinking that (to borrow a famous saying) the government proposes, and Parliament disposes. That is, all of Parliament, not just the government. But perhaps I misunderstood most of the constitutional history I've read...
Ian Blair does not have the right to come out publicly and say that 42 day detention is necessary in the middle of a controversial and very tight political debate; he's probably right that from a strictly policing point of view giving the police more powers would help, but it's up to the politicians to determine how to balance that with the need to protect civil liberties and he should not be trying to influence the debate. Dannatt is probably right that more troops and equipment would help make acheiving the objectives easier, but it's the government who determine what level of resources to provide.

It's impossible to be consistent while criticising Blair but allowing Dannatt to speak out, their position is the same. If you can genuinely say that you have no problem with Blair's intervention in the terrorist legislation debate then fine, you're at least consistent which I respect, though I disagree with you. But if you think Blair was wrong to speak out you can't at the same time support Dannatt. Like I said earlier, it's not about political views or being a Labour stooge, as agricola has suggested; I oppose Blair's comments and think they were wrong, I happen to support the war in Afghanistan, I think far more resources should be provided and I think the government has made a complete pig's ear out of setting out specific objectives that are to be acheived, despite all that I don't think that Dannatt should be intervening in a political debate.

He's not intervening. He's presenting his side of a story.
 
The government determine procurement (and fuck up at managing it spectacularly because[/b of playing politics with it), they don't determine "the tools for the job". I for one am fucking glad that the government didn't get to determine the last two service rifles, because if they had, we'd have probably been lumbered with an even worse option than the L85 variants or the inch-pattern FN FAL variant we had, Think "Martini-Henry" for the 21st century.

There was me thinking that (to borrow a famous saying) the government proposes, and Parliament disposes. That is, all of Parliament, not just the government. But perhaps I misunderstood most of the constitutional history I've read...


He's not intervening. He's presenting his side of a story.


Yep and wouldn't the thought of a Martini-Henry against a Kalashnikov just fill people with enthusiam?

Right up until someone from the other side filled them with lead, obviously.
 
Bumped because of the spectacular failure of the recent attempt by MPs to "expose" Dannatt caning it in at the expense of the taxpayers (via FOI requests), which has revealed that he fed various top brass (domestic and foriegn) on food sourced from Tescos and Lidl:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6807146.ece
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ses-were-a-fraction-of-defence-ministers.html
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/5282858/thank-god-theyre-not-running-a-war.thtml
 
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