The Arms Trade - the future is bright

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by hash tag, Sep 9, 2019.

  1. hash tag

    hash tag member

    Can someone please explain whats bright about making lots of guns and bombs, instruments of torture Etc. because I just don't get it. :(:mad:

    The London arms fair is an inexcusable disgrace – it’s a stain on the nation | Simon Jenkins
    Fleur Thomas says "the future for our defence sector is a very bright one”.
    Go tell it to the bereaved families in Yemen, to people tortured in the middle East Etc.

    Human rights groups protest as world arms fair returns to London

    Bet this won't be affected by Brexit :mad:

    Campaign Against Arms Trade
     
  2. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    There's nothing wrong with making guns etc

    But plenty wrong with flogging them to the cunts who'll buy the ones sold at dsei
     
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  3. hash tag

    hash tag member

    Some guns will be used for sport, the majority not. Then there's bombs and land mines...they can hardly be used for sport. Then there is all the stuff which can be used to suppress it torture people, some of which will get traded in spite of bans on their manufacture and use.
     
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  4. not-bono-ever

    not-bono-ever Alles hat ein Ende nur eine Wurst hat zwei

    ita bright for britain as we are good at exporting death. have been for centuries
     
  5. hash tag

    hash tag member

    makes me proud to be British
     
  6. likesfish

    likesfish an angry pretend soldier shooting at seagulls

    tbf BAE make really overpriced weaponry that doesn't work terribly well
     
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  7. kebabking

    kebabking Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....

    Only of you can't read the instructions likesfish...
     
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  8. likesfish

    likesfish an angry pretend soldier shooting at seagulls

    Sorry L85 was pants
    Law 80 or sorry the 94mm as it turned up ten years
    Wasn't light couldn't take on Soviet tanks head on
    (it's sole point) also poisoned the unfortunate operator with toxic exhaust fumes.

    The tornado f3 the reliant Robin of fighter jets. More top cat than top gun.
     
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  9. kebabking

    kebabking Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....

    You confuse flawed concepts - as dictated by governments, in pursuit of political objectives, and produced by BAe (and in a number of the instances you mentioned, not by BAe) on a shut up and take my money basis - with systems that BAe produce themselves.

    I don't work for BAe. My professional encounters with them have not all been to my personal satisfaction, but they are (overwhelmingly) not idiots.
     
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  10. hash tag

    hash tag member

    As is common in the industry, Bae apart from making lots of nice friendly weapons, have also been caught up in corruption and bribery scandals.
     
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  11. likesfish

    likesfish an angry pretend soldier shooting at seagulls

    Bae oh course we use bribery have you used are products?
     
  12. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    I decided at Poly that I would not work in the defence sector, misnamed as it is, I prefer the war sector personally. I didn't want to be promoting my products on the basis of their increased maim ratios or more killing per pound etc ..

    I have to watch myself though, my current employers make components some of which end up in war machines, while they pay well and our bits are far removed from the actual killing bits I am still a little uncomfortable.
     
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  13. DownwardDog

    DownwardDog Riding a Brompton with a power meter.

    It could out climb a Lightning, out turn a Phantom and out run a Hunter... Was it the best aircraft we could have bought at the time? No. Was it better than everything that came before? Yes.
     
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  14. Humberto

    Humberto the same thing we do every night

    I think they should have to explain themselves, considering what they are selling. And considering the lands that have been stolen based on 'because we can'.
     
  15. kebabking

    kebabking Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....

    No no no, you just don't get it - you may have flown it, spent your professional life studying it's every operating capability, completed endless training sorties against other aircraft, and repeatedly pushed it to it's absolute limits in circumstances where a failure to understand those limits would result in your instant, firery death - but likesfish read this stuff on the internet, so, you know, get back in your box.
     
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  16. Badgers

    Badgers Mr Big Shrimp!

    The arms fair is also being called out by Sadiq Khan which I guess you have read.

    https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/sadiq-khan-dsei-arms-saudi-arabia-london-mayor-knife-crime/

    I know the company organise that event (Clarion) as I work in events. The head of DSEI tells me that they are losing sponsors and support rapidly and are planning to ditch the event soon ish.

    That is not out of the goodness of their black hearts, it is because other events they run are losing business because of the association with the arms trade.
     
  17. hash tag

    hash tag member

    Slowly, very slowly, the message is getting across as people get called out for connections with the arms trade; Design Museum, Science Museum, National Gallery, Hollyrood House are a few that spring to mind.
    The dissent is growing and getting louder. I have to say the average person that I have met at an arms trade demo is slightly off putting. Considering it is possibly the most vile and despicable thing this country
    gets involved in, there has not been much of a call out on U75!
     
  18. Proper Tidy

    Proper Tidy Arsed

    What sort of freebies do you get at arms fairs? Is it just boring stuff like water bottles with the Raytheon logo on or is it all ammo necklaces and that
     
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  19. Miss-Shelf

    Miss-Shelf I'll meet you further on up the road

    It's quite a religious crowd but all power to them actually getting out there and being willing to get arrested. I liked the action by young people from south london /advocacy CAAT on Twitter
     
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  20. hash tag

    hash tag member

    Well when we demonstrated with literally 10 other people a year or two back at Farnborough, we had photographs and videos taken by the police and they didn't charge us.
     
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  21. Miss-Shelf

    Miss-Shelf I'll meet you further on up the road

  22. kebabking

    kebabking Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....

    All the normal tat, but tablets and stuff as well.

    I can normally harvest 50 or so each year, so my children's school has more than they know what to do with.
     
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  23. Proper Tidy

    Proper Tidy Arsed

    Tablets as in big mobile devices, ipads and that? 50, fucking hell.
     
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  24. kebabking

    kebabking Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....

    To be fair, dishing out tablets is just a better way of showing off your product/project - far better than terms of paper and then queueing up videos on a big screen - they buy them in huge quantities, so get them at a tiny fraction of the price you or I would pay in Argos for them, and taking them back is a huge faff because they'll have to be professionally wiped to make sure someone hasn't put a virus on them that then goes back into the company's systems.

    Easier to just give them away...
     
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  25. Proper Tidy

    Proper Tidy Arsed

    Is there any way for a normal punter (me) to get an invite?
     
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  26. DownwardDog

    DownwardDog Riding a Brompton with a power meter.

    The last day of the Dubai Air Show was always a merch bonanza. I once scored a 1/20 scale model of a C-17.
     
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  27. Proper Tidy

    Proper Tidy Arsed

    More into the tablets tbh
     
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  28. likesfish

    likesfish an angry pretend soldier shooting at seagulls

    We only managed t shirts and lots of wine and food.
    Got tanked up courtesy of various other merchants of death after we verbally abused the BAE suits at Farnborough who were demonstrating the cutting edge engineering that was Sa80:)
    They thought it was hilarious BAE complained to some very senior Royal Marine Officer about are behaviour unfortunately the Royal Marine officer agreed with us "Their right its a pile of shit" and came and got drunk with us.
    Strangely are platoon commander couldn't score any free tickets next year????
     
  29. hash tag

    hash tag member

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