The Armchair Generals thread - How would you fight the Iranians

[frogwoman]

The youth in any country are going to be pro-western.

yeah right

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I bet "we" are itching to bomb them, topple their leadership, have "elections" and then impose some sort of dicator with an army of secret torture police at his control, again.


Actually the first time "we" did that we had to topple their democraticaly elected leadership and back then "we" weren't bothered about pretending democracy. Still, If "we" can bomb the fuck out of their countries infrastructure (water, electricicty, that sort of thing) an topple their leadership somehow there'll be billions worth of in reconstruction ciontracts to be had, and their oil and the US/UKers taxpayer will pay for it all!

Once it's done "we" can answer to all criticisms about how it was a bad idea and how loads of people are being killed everyday by saying "yes yes but how should we fix things now", you know, like "we" do with that other place.

I think what you are meaning here by "we" is the neo-cons. Their theories on how to conduct a war, an economy, and a country have been completely discredited.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

The youth in any country are going to be pro-western. It's when the world falls on their shoulders that things change. Even still it really only matters who's in charge at the time of crisis.

Liking our tv and movies is not the same thing as liking us.

 

[dilute micro]

I was pro-western when I was younger.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I was pro-western when I was younger.

I wasn't. I was all about adapting asian culture into western culture.

 

[camouflage]

I'm a West-Bloc dissident.

 

[camouflage]

I think what you are meaning here by "we" is the neo-cons. Their theories on how to conduct a war, an economy, and a country have been completely discredited.

No, we in the West generally. The neo-cons weren't running things when Mosadegh was toppled and the Shah installed. Besides, I don't take responsability for the actions of the leaders of my country because I haven't voted for any of em.

 

[camouflage]

Invading Iran is obviously out of the question. Everything is different there and if their army isn't all that great the terrain makes them much better. But they can be punished effectively.

Yeah, invading them would be too hard for our glorious brave fluffy troops sacrificing themselves to keep us safe in over peoples countries who are the real victims here. Better to try an fuck up the country from afar, Iraq took 12 years of seige before we could invasde them. Best to do the ground work first, pariah them, sponsor terrorist- er... I mean freedom fighter campaigns in their country, demonize the fuckers, that sort of thing.

 

[dilute micro]

Yeah, invading them would be too hard for our glorious brave fluffy troops sacrificing themselves to keep us safe in over peoples countries who are the real victims here. Better to try an fuck up the country from afar, Iraq took 12 years of seige before we could invasde them. Best to do the ground work first, pariah them, sponsor terrorist- er... I mean freedom fighter campaigns in their country, demonize the fuckers, that sort of thing.

It would have been easier to have invaded Iraq in 91. In those 12 years they worked on improving parts on their defense. Iran isn't a military heavyweight and would still crumble with a US invasion done correctly, that is, not of the Rumsfeld doctrine. Even still there would be a price to pay. The US and Europe are not the same people that fought WW2. The fortitude isn't there and ironically our ideas of what we are come from our own military propaganda. We've fooled ourselves that much can be gained at little expense by superior technology and this is what is sold to the public. Along with that theory is an arrogance that says 'they will have to fight us' instead of us having to fight them on their terms. And even worse is the disaster Bush has our military doing which is basically standing around as targets for years when control and responsibility should have been given to the Iraqis long ago.

 

[LJo]

Well, this thread has at least had one good outcome in that it inspired me to search on the net for a good friend I met in Iran who I lost touch with.

I have found her and was happy to discover that she is now living in Canada. So at least she will be OK when the bombs hit. The members of her family who weren't killed in the Iran/Iraq war won't be so lucky, but hey, it's all just collateral damage, isn't it.

 

[JHE]

The members of her family who weren't killed in the Iran/Iraq war won't be so lucky, but hey, it's all just collateral damage, isn't it.

Are they near any part of Iran's nuclear facilities? If they are, I agree there's plenty for them to worry about. If not, not.

This is not going to be like the foolish invasion of Iraq. There's going to be no invasion.

 

[frogwoman]

We haven't had a large scale, risk free, dropping bombs from thousands of feet up in the air, "operation" for years. Not since 1999. I bet those pilots feet are getting itchy

 

[EddyBlack]

Its disturbing how often the mis-quote about Ahmedinejad wanting to -Wipe Israel off the map- is repeated.

Its been mentioned already but here it is again:
"Wiped Off The Map" - The Rumor of the Century

Iran has been threatened repeatedly, i.e. 'all options are on the table'. If anybody needs to be dealt with it is the Washington and Israeli right-wing hawks and their cheerleaders in the media. This mis-quote has been repeated so often, and used so many times as the basis of attempts to portray Iran and their President as a threat to world peace bent on the destruction of Israel. In fact, every single time it is wheeled out (repeat a lie often enough...) although if they've any sense they will stop pushing their luck with it so much now. I think they will now that it has sunk in.

Another factor is that Iran has supposedly been assissting Shia's in Iraq to fight America:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/15/brownback-attack-iran/

Even if you choose to believe that, it conveniently escapes the fact that America has invaded Iraq in the first place. Anybody who wants to see attacks on Iran is very sick to say the least, or at best fooled... again.

I cannot see what the big deal with Iran is. They've said they're not sacred and would be able to defend themselves in the face of repeated threats is about all.

 

[EddyBlack]

A report by Seymour Hersh.

Preparing the Battlefield
The Bush Administration steps up its secret moves against Iran.

 

[EddyBlack]

A report by Seymour Hersh.

Preparing the Battlefield
The Bush Administration steps up its secret moves against Iran.

So, congress has agreed to fund covert ops to destablise the Iranian govt. They’ve already been going on for some time but now they’ve been stepped up and they’re able to operate pretty much secretly with no real oversight.

'Meanwhile, the Administration also revived charges that the Iranian leadership has been involved in the killing of American soldiers in Iraq: both directly, by dispatching commando units into Iraq, and indirectly, by supplying materials used for roadside bombs and other lethal goods. (There have been questions about the accuracy of the claims; the Times, among others, has reported that “significant uncertainties remain about the extent of that involvement.”)’

So what would these covert attacks in Iran consist of? Well its hard to say, they have been supporting dissidents that much is clear…

‘Earlier this year, a militant Ahwazi group claimed to have assassinated a Revolutionary Guard colonel, and the Iranian government acknowledged that an explosion in a cultural center in Shiraz, in the southern part of the country, which killed at least twelve people and injured more than two hundred, had been a terrorist act and not, as it earlier insisted, an accident. It could not be learned whether there has been American involvement in any specific incident in Iran, but, according to Gardiner, the Iranians have begun publicly blaming the U.S., Great Britain, and, more recently, the C.I.A. for some incidents.’

Here’s the best bit…

‘The use of Baluchi elements, for example, is problematic, Robert Baer, a former C.I.A. clandestine officer who worked for nearly two decades in South Asia and the Middle East, told me. “The Baluchis are Sunni fundamentalists who hate the regime in Tehran, but you can also describe them as Al Qaeda,” Baer told me. “These are guys who cut off the heads of nonbelievers—in this case, it’s Shiite Iranians. The irony is that we’re once again working with Sunni fundamentalists, just as we did in Afghanistan in the nineteen-eighties.” Ramzi Yousef, who was convicted for his role in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center, and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who is considered one of the leading planners of the September 11th attacks, are Baluchi Sunni fundamentalists.’

 

[frogwoman]

US support of "al-Qaeda" in Iran post-Iraq has been known about for years. I remember the Times doing a piece on it.

 

[butchersapron]

Indeed, and for years before 'Iraq'.

 

[goldenecitrone]

I think we should let Salman Rushdie decide. Well, maybe not.

 

[frogwoman]

Indeed, and for years before 'Iraq'.

Yep.

 

[butchersapron]

There's been hundreds of them surviving on US hand-outs since they (the US) first openly supported Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war in the early mid 80s.

 

[DotCommunist]

I think we should let Salman Rushdie decide. Well, maybe not.

only if he promises to stop runningwordstogether for effect like he does fartoomuch in the satanic verses, cause it irritates thetitsoffa me

 

[Sir_Ian_Blair]

No I don't see US boots on Iranian soil any time soon.

Thank God our Military is leaking info to Reporter Hersh on the BS idea of hitting Iran.

THEY disclosed because:

(1) They do not want to invade Iran, they are already outstretched to the max; (2) it was also disclosed for humanitarian reasons: the military does not want to see more GI's or Iranians dead;

(2) Former Commander William J Fallon had asserted that Iran was not going to be invaded during his watch. The Bush administration sent a B52 loaded with nuclear-armed missiles from North Dakota destined for Iran. When admiral Fallon found out it forced it to land in Louisiana. Commander Fallon was forced to retired and was replaced by sycophant Gen. BetrayUs. So now the military has no one looking out for their bests interests.

 

[Bloody_ICE]

If it was me. i unite the world and bomb america from space, the only way to be sure. Then apologise to iran for those heathens causing trouble. Then back to the tennis.