The Armchair Generals thread - How would you fight the Iranians

[frogwoman]

Iran would be a far more difficult prospect than Iraq or Afghanistan. For one it hasn't been crippled by years of war or sanctions. Secondly it is very challenging terrain for military to cross. Thirdly it has a much better armed and organised (and importantly higher morale) military than Iraq.

The other thing in their favour is that they have had a good look at Allied tactics and strategy for some time and must have made preparations.

This is actually something that happens in my book (well, is mentioned in it). I'm working on possible ideas for a sequele and part of it is the Iranian president trying to garner support for a coalition of countries to invade England

 

[bouncer_the_dog]

To eliminate the Iranian nuclear threat the best way would be to use bunker buster nukes that land on top of each other in succession - drilling a hole into the earth and causing underground earthquakes destroying the various facilities, with minimal fallout. Mind you I would say nuking an Islamic country would be a BAD idea and probably not worth it in the long run. In fact attacking Iran would be abad idea - as it would intesify the Iraq/Afgan situations and subsequent sate terrorism could cripple all of the middle easts oil supply.

 

[frogwoman]

To eliminate the Iranian nuclear threat the best way would be to use bunker buster nukes that land on top of each other in succession - drilling a hole into the earth and causing underground earthquakes destroying the various facilities, with minimal fallout.

Nice.

 

[Barking_Mad]

First of all I'm not a screaming nutter who wants to turn Tehran into a pool of glowing radioactive glass.

But it is looking like the loonspuds of Iran are going to find themselves at the sharp end of an attack at some point in the near future.

So if push came to shove how would YOU do it.

My opinion is it can't be done by air power alone, it is going to need boots on the ground but how to attack. Do we arm the Kurds and point them in the right direction, attack from Iraqi territory, mass bombardment with missles at strategic sites from carriers in the ocean, land attack by Allied troops across the Iraqi border. There are options but which woudl you do to make a successful regime change with minimal civilian casualties amongst the long suffering Iranian people?

When did you climb the stupid tree and fall out of it? I ask as you seemed to be quite sensible and then recently,

WHACK!

Hitting several branches on the way down. Or maybe i just misunderstood you all along.....

But it is looking like the loonspuds of Iran are going to find themselves at the sharp end of an attack at some point in the near future.

Good job everyone else is sane and it's only the "loonspuds" we have to deal with and worry about eh?

 

[dilute micro]

A cultural nutrient based selective virus that affects people that eat kebabs.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Please tell me the last time Iran/Persia invaded anybody.


If you wish to talk in terms of 'us' and 'them':

We are a threat to them. They are not a threat to us. 'We' are the aggressive warmongers.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Please tell me the last time Iran/Persia invaded anybody.


If you wish to talk in terms of 'us' and 'them':

We are a threat to them. They are not a threat to us. 'We' are the aggressive warmongers.

Let me say that I do not WANT war with Iran.Neither do I want a paranoid nuclear armed Israel.

I think that what should happen is we contain and pressure Iran and back the forces of progression within the country until such time as Ahmedinejad is either deposed by a revolution or via the ballot box.

Unfortunately Brown has cut back on the very staff who should have been monitoring the actions of Iran and their procurement activities.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I think that what should happen is we contain and pressure the UK and back the forces of progression within the country until such time as Brown is either deposed by a revolution or via the ballot box.

Corrected.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Corrected.

Nice one. I can almost agree with all of that.

 

[frogwoman]

To eliminate the Iranian nuclear threat the best way would be to use bunker buster nukes that land on top of each other in succession - drilling a hole into the earth and causing underground earthquakes destroying the various facilities, with minimal fallout.

Never mind all those homes destroyed and thousands of people dead as happened the last time there was an earthquake in Iran - at least they won't get radiation poisoning (probably). Jesus wept.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

If it worked I'd be the first to sign up.

i wonder if you blood lust comes from years of damage inflicted on you by your previous violent partner and you now unresolved feelings of betrayal anger which lead you to see things in such narrow ways that you can only react in the manner in which you do.

I just wonder if you have recovered and aren't now lashing out in this way by way of venting...

come on KBJ you aren't a cunt but my god you don't half have some outragious concepts kicking round that head of yours...

don't answer the personal shit though it's not a request to air dirty laundery in public but merely passing question as to your motivation...

you recent (ish) conversion to Judeaism seems that you have in fact at least on here replicated the domination/control aspects; and again it also then raises the question as to whether this rather staunch line zionism you are pushing is borne from conviction or from conveneice...

either way you need to stop your continued blood lust you are become a parody.

 

[bouncer_the_dog]

Never mind all those homes destroyed and thousands of people dead as happened the last time there was an earthquake in Iran - at least they won't get radiation poisoning (probably). Jesus wept.

I had an old colleague who used to work for the IAEA who was adamant this was the best approach. The fallout would be very limited and the localised underground earthquakes would effect the buried 'bomb proof' facilities.. Not very nice. He contended that would be better than letting Iran equip other sates with Nukes and small scale nuclear wars occurring between various unpleasant regimes...

although this says differently:

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/nuclear_weapons/nuclear-bunker-buster-rnep-animation.html

 

[KeyboardJockey]

To garf. No its not blood lust its accepting that there is a whole lot of big stuff that I cannot change so I might as well just keep my head down and try to do personal good where I can. The Iranians do scare the fucking willies out of me though but all the Iranians I've met (escaped fron Khomeni) have been sound people.

Not wanting to air dirty laundry you are right I still havn't resolved the issues from my past.

I used to be a lefty but now I'm lost.

 

[likesfish]

actually the Iranian army is not anything to write home about and would mostly be target practice for the yanks.
if the US start an armored thrust there is nobody who could absorb that sort of blow and still function. fighting an insurgency different matter but force on force the yanks win.
its not just about hardware the yanks have the cash to train to a really high standard

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

To garf. No its not blood lust its accepting that there is a whole lot of big stuff that I cannot change so I might as well just keep my head down and try to do personal good where I can. The Iranians do scare the fucking willies out of me though but all the Iranians I've met (escaped fron Khomeni) have been sound people.

why though you aren't a mug you know that the amount of truth compared to the propaganda isn't proportionate.

so why are you buying into it?

you also know that Israel isn't blameless but seem to be denying the truth in order to conform to you new faith. mate i don't beleive in a god but i can see of no relgion which would say you should deny what is in front of your own eyes. And you know it's not about the destruction of the state of Israel it's about the actions taken by sucessive Govt's there which have been detrimental to the palestinians there.

It's really immaterial their status or the legitimacy of the blood lines or land owner ship for me at least it boils down to one of two things; either it's all Israel/Palestine or some new name which refelcts both in which case there's a significant majority being oppressed by the minority group which is inequitable or it's two seperate states in which case there's been an armed incursion into one of those states lasting for over 60 years...

either way it's unacceptable. and it degrades the humanity from boths sides.

Not wanting to air dirty laundry you are right I still havn't resolved the issues from my past.

I'm not asking you to nor would i expect it. I only mentioned it because i know that you have had issues and now seem to be attacking positions in the abstract which also is a way of shoring up your newly aquired faith as it within itself is having a postive effect on your life in the day to day.

blind faith isn't a requirement of judaism as far as i understand it and in fact theres a big part of the faith which is reading through the torah and then informing yourself (with help of rabbies etc) of the application of the teaching.

I have great difficulty with reconcling that with your concept of the current situation in the M/E particlarlly when you use such hyperbolic rhetoric in regards to the situation.

I know it's not racism, by look at the indicative of the language you are using, it's tone etc... you aren't someone like me who barrels around causing chaos and being a little agro shit, however you discontent is so very apperant and it's colouring what you are saying to the point of being over bearing.

take some time out get a breather and chill for a bit.

what with everything else i can totally understand the need to feel empowered again but this isn't empowering you at all it's doing you great harm in terms of how others now percieve you which is increasing your sense of visable isolation.

I used to be a lefty but now I'm lost.

it's harder to be effective when it seems like a sisphean task. However as you said in your opening response you know you cannot change the big things only the little things so that gives you a starting point at least.

I defy anyone to have the definitive answer to the situation, what it will need is however co-operation on both sides and reasonable comprimise. it will be along time before the region is at peace with itself even once this process starts a long time before there is equitablity of access. The situation cannot be resolved by increasing the divide between each other though and i see nothing in your posts which is reconciling your own situation historically or is willing to reconcile your new found faith and the position it places you in with that objective.

maybe look at Gush Shalom or similar for a Judiaic base to that healing process?

It covers two of the areas instantly it's left wing and it's Jewish...

http://www.gush-shalom.org/

you also whislt not having direct rabbies in the traditional sense have people within the organiseation who fought in 48 and 67 and will tell you of their actions and experiences.

 

[dylanredefined]

Hammering the fuck out of them blitzkreig style would work .Blow up the nuclear sites and then runway .There is lots of them and they will fight but not being in the middle east when the dust settles limits their options.
honestly wouldnt really stupid idea.

 

[nino_savatte]

What is this? "I'm bored, so let's have a war"?

 

[elbows]

Let those who want a war with Iran go and fight it, armed with peashooters.

 

[frogwoman]

Spud guns!

 

[frogwoman]

Watch out, Ahmedinejad!

 

[isitme]

Iran declared war on Freddy Mercury when I was a kid

they're off their tits

 

[mauvais]

What is this? "I'm bored, so let's have a war"?

 

[camouflage]

First of all I'm not a screaming nutter who wants to turn Tehran into a pool of glowing radioactive glass.

But it is looking like the loonspuds of Iran are going to find themselves at the sharp end of an attack at some point in the near future.

So if push came to shove how would YOU do it.

My opinion is it can't be done by air power alone, it is going to need boots on the ground but how to attack. Do we arm the Kurds and point them in the right direction, attack from Iraqi territory, mass bombardment with missles at strategic sites from carriers in the ocean, land attack by Allied troops across the Iraqi border. There are options but which woudl you do to make a successful regime change with minimal civilian casualties amongst the long suffering Iranian people?

Dude, I'm beginning to think you seriously suck.

 

[camouflage]

Sadly that tech doesn't exist.

I was inspired to put this thread up by reading servcie personells assessment of the possiblity of action against Iran at

http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=77558/postdays=0/postorder=asc/start=0.html

I would prefer that the Iranians stopped theri nuclear programme and opened up their civvy nuclear programme to international inspection but if they don't then the Iranians could be a real danger to the whole region. It will make the Indians jittery the Israeli's jittery and jittery people tend to shoot first and ask questions later.

Its going to happen at some point. The question is how to attack the govt of Iran without killing too many civilians?

without killing too many civ... oh my god, you've been brain-washed by neocons and this thread is some sort of cry for help!

 

[camouflage]

It doesn't really matter nowadays, it's not muskets, trenches or longbows anymore. If US/Israel/Nato wanted to topple the Iranian government using military force they could do it very easily. The real question is, how would you stop the aftermath from turning into another Iraq?

Yah, like th Isreali invasion of Lebanon was a peice of piss. Isreal won of course.

You're right though, how to then end the war once started.

 

[mauvais]

I THINK THE BEST THING TO DO WOULD BE TO BLOW UP THE LEGS OF THEIR BEDS. THEN THEY WILL HAVE TO SLEEP LOW DOWN AND GETTING UP WILL BE DIFFICULT. EVENTUALLY THEY WILL NOT GET UP ANY MORE AND IF YOU DO NOT GET UP OUT OF THE BED YOU CANNOT NUCLEARLY ANNIHILATE ANYBODY. SO I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD DO.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I THINK THE BEST THING TO DO WOULD BE TO BLOW UP THE LEGS OF THEIR BEDS. THEN THEY WILL HAVE TO SLEEP LOW DOWN AND GETTING UP WILL BE DIFFICULT. EVENTUALLY THEY WILL NOT GET UP ANY MORE AND IF YOU DO NOT GET UP OUT OF THE BED YOU CANNOT NUCLEARLY ANNIHILATE ANYBODY. SO I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD DO.

THEN WE SHOULD ANNOY THEM BY TYPING IN ALL CAPS. MWWAHHHAAA!

 

[camouflage]

actually the Iranian army is not anything to write home about and would mostly be target practice for the yanks.
if the US start an armored thrust there is nobody who could absorb that sort of blow and still function. fighting an insurgency different matter but force on force the yanks win.
its not just about hardware the yanks have the cash to train to a really high standard

That's why US amored collumns would be irrelevent. You don't fight on the enemies terms. The Iranians certainl know it so why bother fantasizing about the Iranians making things easy for the yanks?

The only possible reason to attack Iran would be to feed the hungry gods of war. No good would come of it. The Iranian leadership don't scare me, but people with KBJs opinions operating in the US and Isreali government scare the fuck out of me. The road to hell is paved with their kind of intentions.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

What do you say to Iran about Israel's nuclear weapons?

Well, those crazy jews have had them for years, and Teheran is still standing.

 

[frogwoman]

Nah, I'm sick of fighting wars in the Middle East and Asia, there are too many. I mean, Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan...come on, some orignality is needed here! Africa's a bit boring because nobody really fights back, and the Pacific is a bit rubbish because there aren't many people, except in Australia, but it's a bit dry there and there are too many spiders. So we've got two choices really, Europe and South America