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The American mass shooting thread

Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by Pickman's model, Feb 14, 2018.

  1. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

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  2. stavros

    stavros Well-Known Member

    I'm sure Trump has courted the NRA. However, is he known to be very pro guns?
  3. Cloo

    Cloo Surfeit of lampreys

    I don't know if he's pro-guns as such, but I think he knows enough not to be pro-control either.

    Sad to say, I think Pickman's model is quite right that we don't need multiple threads this year.
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  4. CRI

    CRI Registered Chooser

    He wouldn't bite the hand that feeds.

    NRA: Russian cash target?

  5. Ax^

    Ax^ Silly Rabbit

    More guns is what required

    Arm everyone with ar-15 based assault rifles open carry at all times in schools, hospitals, religious place of worship and on the street

    From open carry for everyone from toddlers to pensioners#

    that'll sort the problem
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  6. CRI

    CRI Registered Chooser

  7. not-bono-ever

    not-bono-ever Literally over the moon

    17 dead so far. fucking hell. Maybe its worth having a top 10 weasely excuses by the NRA and their mates thread
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  8. CRI

    CRI Registered Chooser

    The NRA re-tweeted this this morning for "Valentines Day." I know it was before the shooting today, but the fact this is so normalised gives me cold chills.

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  9. Mrs Miggins

    Mrs Miggins Trainee Kiwi

    I just don't know what to say about this any more. It's all the bloody time and yet they still can't face the fact that if people didn't have guns, they couldn't go around shooting each other.
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  10. Nylock

    Nylock I hate 'these days'...

    *quote fixed by NRA
  11. dessiato

    dessiato Maholo e ke akua no kei la

    According to the Guardian this is the 18th, eighteenth FFS! school shooting this year. That must mean there's been at least two a week on average. And still they can't see the link between easy access to guns and the number of people being shot.
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  12. Celyn

    Celyn Well-Known Member

    Eek! Is that actually real? Oh hell.:eek:
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  13. Celyn

    Celyn Well-Known Member

    18th this year? :eek: And we are only in February. Is there no real pressure on government (state and federal) to take a serious look at this problem? Or is the NRA *that* powerful?
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  14. Yossarian

    Yossarian free shrugs

    It's not going to change because too many people who are in a position to change things just don't care - either they're bought and paid for by the NRA or they don't want to lose the votes of people who see mass shootings as a price worth paying for being able to own the guns they think they need to protect themselves from blacks, Mexicans, and terrorists.

    President Shithead sure doesn't care - he's tweeted a couple of boilerplate statements about condolences and working closely with law enforcement, but he displays about 10 times more emotion when he's talking about Democrats who don't support his tax plans. He says "No child, teacher or anyone else should ever feel unsafe in an American school," which sounds to me as if he's going to take the position that the answer is more law enforcement officers and other armed people in schools, which is something Congress has found some money for.

    I don't know what it would take for them to get serious about gun control - 6 of the 10 deadliest mass shootings in modern US history have taken place in the last 6 years, with three of them in the last 5 months, and they haven't done shit. Congress didn't even end up banning "bump stocks," which not many people had even heard of before, after the Las Vegas shooter used them while killing 58 people.
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  15. High Voltage

    High Voltage Laying in the gutter, looking at the kerb.

    I thought 18 shootings sounded a little light

    <edit>Blush - don't actually give "the" link to the biggliest more largiest enormously increased number
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  16. Mumbles274

    Mumbles274 running from law and the press and the parents

    How long before the conspiracy nuts start on this?:(:mad:
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  17. crossthebreeze

    crossthebreeze Well-Known Member

    Fucking hell. And it just makes me think about statistics around domestic violence shootings in the US (which are horrendous) - and how 54% of mass shootings involve the killing of a current or former partner or family member as well as other victims.
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  18. Poi E

    Poi E Pessimism: a valuable protection against quackery.

    As I was blasting away on a gun range in South Africa I wondered why they don't get the gun massacres the US does (aside from the state sanctioned ones involving miners.) High gun murder rate like the US but not the gun massacres like the US.
  19. Mation

    Mation real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold

    This is not going to change while the USA is so racist; while white supremacy is in place. They will not get rid of their guns while they think there is a chance that people of colour will come after white people for what they have done.
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  20. Poi E

    Poi E Pessimism: a valuable protection against quackery.

    That's interesting as gun ownership is significantly higher amongst white males than any other group in the US.
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  21. ElizabethofYork

    ElizabethofYork Witchsmeller Pursuivant

    And school shootings are carried out by young white men.
  22. ruffneck23

    ruffneck23 Well-Known Member

    Yeah but dont worry , donny boy is praying for them. Although im not sure who he is praying to.
  23. dessiato

    dessiato Maholo e ke akua no kei la

    That is too awful to think about. The Guardian figure claimed 18 school shootings, putting that alongside all shootings... I can't find words to express how sickening this is.
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  24. Doctor Carrot

    Doctor Carrot Bear Grylls grills bare bears

    Cultural thing though innit? There's several countries I can think of off the top of my head that have legal gun ownership where quite a high population own them but don't go blowing each other away every five minutes. I expect there's better controls than America though.

    I'm quite sad to say I'm completely desensitised to news of these now. Oh look, another shooting. Oh look, fuck all will be done about it because American society refuses to look in the mirror and acknowledge its own faults.
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  25. Dr. Furface

    Dr. Furface One small step for man

    What's the situation there with machine guns? If machine guns are hard to get hold of then mass murders are far less likely to happen. That's the main issue in the US. Personally I've no big problem with owning a hand gun, but when nut jobs can easily get hold of high-power rapid fire weapons - and in some cases lots of them - that obviously makes these massacres possible. And inevitable.
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  26. Mation

    Mation real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold

    The USA is a world-dominating superpower in a precarious position. No other country has that plus the legacy of slavery on its own soil.
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  27. mrs quoad

    mrs quoad Elephants think I’m cute #brap

  28. Doctor Carrot

    Doctor Carrot Bear Grylls grills bare bears

    If twenty six and seven year olds massacred at school didn't make congress act on gun control, nothing will make congress act on gun control.
  29. PippinTook

    PippinTook Well-Known Member

    Would change happen if one of the victims of a school massacre happened to be a senator's child or a president's son?
  30. dessiato

    dessiato Maholo e ke akua no kei la

    I'd like to think so. But I think the NRA would still find a way to stop any changes.
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