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CRI

Registered Chooser
I'm sure Trump has courted the NRA. However, is he known to be very pro guns?
He wouldn't bite the hand that feeds.

NRA: Russian cash target?

The politically powerful National Rifle Association reported spending $55 million on the 2016 elections, $30 million alone supporting President Donald Trump’s candidacy. That’s about three times what it spent in 2012 on the candidacy of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

Actually, the amount that the group spent probably is much larger than that because it is not required to report spending on internet ads or campaign operations.
Much of the campaign money was distributed through an NRA fundraising adjunct that, under federal law, does not have to identify its donors.

Meanwhile, multiple news organizations have reported that the FBI is investigating whether a top Russian banker with close ties to the Kremlin and the NRA funneled money to the NRA to help support Trump’s candidacy.
 

Ax^

Silly Rabbit
More guns is what required

Arm everyone with ar-15 based assault rifles open carry at all times in schools, hospitals, religious place of worship and on the street

From open carry for everyone from toddlers to pensioners#

that'll sort the problem
 

dessiato

Because I could not stop for death
According to the Guardian this is the 18th, eighteenth FFS! school shooting this year. That must mean there's been at least two a week on average. And still they can't see the link between easy access to guns and the number of people being shot.
 

Celyn

Well-Known Member
According to the Guardian this is the 18th, eighteenth FFS! school shooting this year. That must mean there's been at least two a week on average. And still they can't see the link between easy access to guns and the number of people being shot.
18th this year? :eek: And we are only in February. Is there no real pressure on government (state and federal) to take a serious look at this problem? Or is the NRA *that* powerful?
 

Yossarian

free shrugs
It's not going to change because too many people who are in a position to change things just don't care - either they're bought and paid for by the NRA or they don't want to lose the votes of people who see mass shootings as a price worth paying for being able to own the guns they think they need to protect themselves from blacks, Mexicans, and terrorists.

President Shithead sure doesn't care - he's tweeted a couple of boilerplate statements about condolences and working closely with law enforcement, but he displays about 10 times more emotion when he's talking about Democrats who don't support his tax plans. He says "No child, teacher or anyone else should ever feel unsafe in an American school," which sounds to me as if he's going to take the position that the answer is more law enforcement officers and other armed people in schools, which is something Congress has found some money for.

I don't know what it would take for them to get serious about gun control - 6 of the 10 deadliest mass shootings in modern US history have taken place in the last 6 years, with three of them in the last 5 months, and they haven't done shit. Congress didn't even end up banning "bump stocks," which not many people had even heard of before, after the Las Vegas shooter used them while killing 58 people.
 
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crossthebreeze

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The NRA re-tweeted this this morning for "Valentines Day." I know it was before the shooting today, but the fact this is so normalised gives me cold chills.

Fucking hell. And it just makes me think about statistics around domestic violence shootings in the US (which are horrendous) - and how 54% of mass shootings involve the killing of a current or former partner or family member as well as other victims.
 

Poi E

Well-Known Member
As I was blasting away on a gun range in South Africa I wondered why they don't get the gun massacres the US does (aside from the state sanctioned ones involving miners.) High gun murder rate like the US but not the gun massacres like the US.
 

Mation

real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
This is not going to change while the USA is so racist; while white supremacy is in place. They will not get rid of their guns while they think there is a chance that people of colour will come after white people for what they have done.
 
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dessiato

Because I could not stop for death
I thought 18 shootings sounded a little light



<edit>Blush - don't actually give "the" link to the biggliest more largiest enormously increased number
That is too awful to think about. The Guardian figure claimed 18 school shootings, putting that alongside all shootings... I can't find words to express how sickening this is.
 

Doctor Carrot

Bear Grylls grills bare bears
I just don't know what to say about this any more. It's all the bloody time and yet they still can't face the fact that if people didn't have guns, they couldn't go around shooting each other.
Cultural thing though innit? There's several countries I can think of off the top of my head that have legal gun ownership where quite a high population own them but don't go blowing each other away every five minutes. I expect there's better controls than America though.

I'm quite sad to say I'm completely desensitised to news of these now. Oh look, another shooting. Oh look, fuck all will be done about it because American society refuses to look in the mirror and acknowledge its own faults.
 

Dr. Furface

One small step for man
As I was blasting away on a gun range in South Africa I wondered why they don't get the gun massacres the US does (aside from the state sanctioned ones involving miners.) High gun murder rate like the US but not the gun massacres like the US.
What's the situation there with machine guns? If machine guns are hard to get hold of then mass murders are far less likely to happen. That's the main issue in the US. Personally I've no big problem with owning a hand gun, but when nut jobs can easily get hold of high-power rapid fire weapons - and in some cases lots of them - that obviously makes these massacres possible. And inevitable.
 
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Mation

real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
Cultural thing though innit? There's several countries I can think of off the top of my head that have legal gun ownership where quite a high population own them but don't go blowing each other away every five minutes. I expect there's better controls than America though.
The USA is a world-dominating superpower in a precarious position. No other country has that plus the legacy of slavery on its own soil.
 
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Lupa

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Would change happen if one of the victims of a school massacre happened to be a senator's child or a president's son?
 
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