The All Scottish Fitba Thread

[steeplejack]

Complete garbage- in Scotland every club barring the OF and for philanthropic Brooks Mileson reasons, Gretna, are broker than broke. In case you hadn't noticed two Scottish clubs have gone to the wall in the last 4 years, with many more just surviving byn the skin of their teeth. the club I follow pretty much exists month to month and can make few if any long term plans.

No one here needs a pious lecture from you on the difficulties faced by small clubs. if you want to discuss the problems faced by Irish club football I'd politely request that you start your own thread to do so- much as I may sympathise with the brassic state of Dublin City's finances, they're hardly relevant to a discussion of Scottish football 48 hours before the season starts.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Exactly and every town in Scotland contains a sizeable number of dipshits who follow the Old Firm rather than their own teams, do they not?

Feel free to explain exactly why the issue of Irish people following Scottish football clubs is irrelevant to a thread about Scottish football clubs any time you like.

 

[steeplejack]

Becuase you're using this thread to grind your own axe about Irish football being in a parlous state.

Scottish football is followed by fans all over the world, incidentally. Yes, even in the Third Division.

My own club has svereal so called 'dipshits' who follow the OF on alternate weeks- however we can;t afford to turn them away, nor do we want to.

people are attracted to success and not failure or mediocrity. It's not pleasant, but a basic fact of life. Complaining about it is like complainging about the sun rising in the morning, or the tide coming in. Your holier-than-thou one man band ramblings aren't going to change anything- as I myself know from bitter experience- and may indeed end up alienating those who would otherwise be supportive.

This thread is for discussing SCOTTISH FOOTBALL- i.e teams, players, on-pitch happenings. If you wish to conduct a demographic/sociological discussion of the number of Irish fans following league football either here or in England I'd again ask that you start your own thread. You risk ruining this one before it's even started.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

All right, I've no desire to muck up this thread and no problem at all with Scottish football fans who are following their local clubs. So I'll start a new one about the reasons people follow big clubs over their own ones elsewhere.

Judging by the complete inability of the Irish "fans" of Celtic to say anything at all coherent on this thread so far, I don't hold out much hope that they will have much of interest to say on the new one either though.

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=124278

 

[steeplejack]

Thank you.

 

[Chorlton]

Judging by the complete inability of the Irish "fans" of Celtic to say anything at all coherent on this thread so far, I don't hold out much hope that they will have much of interest to say on the new one either though.

suck my balls ya stain.



good work steeplejack

 

[Nigel Irritable]

suck my balls ya stain.

As charming, coherent and persuasive as most other Irish Celtic "fans" I see.

 

[hibee]

I am appalled by the rank hypocricy of supporting a British corporation against your own local clubs

Tell me then

a) is it ok to support a "corporation" if they're you're local club? If so, what here makes the morality of supporting a "corporation" acceptable on this basis?

b) it might be stretching it to describe small local clubs as "corporations", but they are almost all capitalist enterprises. Does the SP now reckon capitalism is ok so long as it is small-scale and local? And does this mean you've merged with the Green Party?

 

[Nigel Irritable]

a) is it ok to support a "corporation" if they're you're local club? If so, what here makes the morality of supporting a "corporation" acceptable on this basis?

I have no problem with people supporting big clubs if they are their local ones. I don't think anyone does. I only bother to point out the corporate status of the likes of Celtic, Man Utd or whoever because for some reason the mentality behind deliberately choosing to follow an organisation which is at root just about extracting profits is even more alien to me than the act of glory hunting in the first place. It's not the key issue in all this though.

Of the Irish clubs, the actual structure varies. Some are owned by fan collectives, notably Bohemians and as of this week Shamrock Rovers. That's the kind of set up I would advocate for all clubs, although I'd want players and the local community have a stake too. Shels are owned by one fan, which is far from ideal.

As for politics my views on people supporting big clubs elsewhere has nothing to do with my membership of the Socialist Party. The Irish SP contains plenty of Celtic and Man Utd fans and a fair few Rangers fans too. The Socialist Party produces a book about football though, which is worth reading.

 

[hibee]

I have no problem with people supporting big clubs if they are their local ones. I don't think anyone does. I only bother to point out the corporate status of the likes of Celtic, Man Utd or whoever because for some reason the mentality behind deliberately choosing to follow an organisation which is at root just about extracting profits is even more alien to me than the act of glory hunting in the first place. It's not the key issue in all this though.

Why mention it then? There's quite a good case to be made against glory hunting, and ideally I would see every club owned cooperatively by the fans and community. But by casting supporters of big clubs as following "coporations" as opposed to "local clubs" (which in 90% of cases is a distinction only of the scale of capitalism) makes no sense whatsoever and muddys your argument.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Fair point about muddying the waters, but see other thread for more. I wouldn't want steeplejack getting wound up again.

Most of the Socialist Party's book "Reclaim the Game" can be found here by the way:

http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/ReclaimTheGame/ReclaimtheGame.htm

 

[Chorlton]

Why mention it then?

For Hibee:
i think he lost the point a while ago, if indeed one existed in what appears to be nothing more than an exercising a rant against the evils of celticism and all its foulness for the purposes of self-aggrandising the current tenants of tolka park, of virtue fair and true


For Nigel:
Take it down from the mast, 1916, Up The Ra, You love proddies so ye do, no surrender.... no hang on wrong one there - up the ra (reprise)

 

[Chorlton]

Most of the Socialist Party's book "Reclaim the Game" can be found here by the way:

http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/ReclaimTheGame/ReclaimtheGame.htm

its like havin the jehovas witnesses come into yer house and try to sell you 'watchtower'


gaun fuck off will ye?

 

[Chuck Wilson]

Is there going to be a Celtic supporters equivalent of FC United set up?

 

[Nigel Irritable]

I never mentioned the Socialist Party or "Reclaim the Game" until hibee specifically asked me about it.

I'm glad to see that your contributions to this discussion have still failed to rise, even briefly, above childish insults.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

The Irish SP contains plenty of Celtic and Man Utd fans and a fair few Rangers fans too.

This is the wrong thread and the wrong forum to take this any further. And when you started this tirade last night I resisted the impulse to say 'scrath the Millie and find the Hun' but what an admission! You see nothing wrong at all with members of a revolutionary socialist party supporting Rangers, a club that has had to be dragged kicking and screaming into saying that bigotry is unwelcome on it's terraces? Whose fans hurl abuse at Neil Lennon for one reason and one reason only (helping to create an athmosphere where loyalists found it acceptable to threaten his life). I tell you what mate, there is a Gers supporters club in Dublin. I suggest you toddle along to it some time and make a principled intervention, then come back here and tell us all how you got on.

 

[Chorlton]

Is there going to be a Celtic supporters equivalent of FC United set up?

Much as i would love to see it, i doubt it. They're a terrible bunch of wallopers celtic fans sometimes. We saved our club once before in the 90s but a wee canadian bollix had a hand in that - and turned us into a plc at the time - we didn't really have a choice we just wanted to see the survival of the club

 

[Nigel Irritable]

This is the wrong thread and the wrong forum to take this any further

Not the thread to take it further, but here's your piece of sectarian gobshiterey anyway?

You see nothing wrong at all with members of a revolutionary socialist party supporting Rangers

I see exactly the same things wrong with it that I see with Irish people supporting Celtic. It's not their local team, and for all that in both cases it's a hangover from childhood, in an Irish context support for either is wrapped up in sectarian identity.

As for Rangers being evil while Celtic are the forces of all that is true and light, I'm not particularly interested. I met a few Celtic fans in the SSP in Glasgow who felt that way but most didn't and it's their local squabble about two teams which have an equally negative effect on the football teams I do care about - Irish ones.

Now if you really do want to take this further start a thread on it somewhere else.

 

[Chuck Wilson]

Not the thread to take it further, but here's your piece of sectarian gobshiterey anyway?



I see exactly the same things wrong with it that I see with Irish people supporting Celtic. It's not their local team, and for all that in both cases it's a hangover from childhood, in an Irish context support for either is wrapped up in sectarian identity.

As for Rangers being evil while Celtic are the forces of all that is true and light, I'm not particularly interested. I met a few Celtic fans in the SSP in Glasgow who felt that way but most didn't and it's their local squabble about two teams which have an equally negative effect on the football teams I do care about - Irish ones.

Now if you really do want to take this further start a thread on it somewhere else.

I would like to see this taken further-come on bolshie start a thread.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

I would like to see this taken further-come on bolshie start a thread.

Ah now Chuck that's a bit tricky isn't it! A thread like that would inevitably turn into people claiming what Celtic and Rangers represent when the truth is that to fans of both clubs that's a very subjective matter. My support for the 'Tic does have political motives as well as all the normal footballing ones but I'd never dream of trying to dictate why anyone else should support our great club. And unfortunately that's what such a thread would likely turn into. Plus as nasty as Trot arguments are at the best of times, throw in passion for football and it'd just be plain horrible

 

[arab]

That's united been drawn Mypa of Finland in the uefa qualifiers. Could be a tough one. As they are half way through their season and top of their league, put motherwell out on away goals a few years back.

Looks like we will be in europe a few weeks longer than Celtic.

 

[bertifrew]

Nice one. When was that again?

Oh, and we're European Champions mate. I couldn't give a fuck about your third world football.

Why are you on a scottish football thread then you dickhead?

 

[starfish]

Why are you on a scottish football thread then you dickhead?

Coz hes a cunt.

Anyway sounds like a game & a half at Fir Park. 4-4 now.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

4:4

Well at least Strachan's first game vs family club Motherwell ended better than MON's last.

 

[starfish]

3-1 up at half time to 4-3 down. Then Beattie gets an equaliser in the last minute.

 

[Here we go]

What, Stranraer are in the SPL?

Stranraer= 1st division
Fishy jailers=2nd division.

Some Berwick fans have chartered a boat to get to the game- no joke.

As to your question re: the Shire, more of the same, really, no money, no fans, barely a team. But Albion Rovers are set to be even worse this year (currently onl;y 4 players and holding trials in a public park for the remainder) so i have a feeling the Shire will avoid the wooden spoon.

You'd know all this if you read my blog.

fuck, where's the trials! i'd turn up for a laugh

 

[articul8]

4:4

Well at least Strachan's first game vs family club Motherwell ended better than MON's last.

could have been worse, but 9 goals conceded in last 2 doesn't give much confidence for the season

 

[bertifrew]

What agame!

Scott Macdonald is good wee player, i wonder how long he'll stay at 'Well. Anytime i've watched him play against us, he's a total pain in the arse, he never gives defenders a second on the ball. Big Hammy's meant to have had a good game as well. As did Brian Kerr, 2 ex Livi players.

 

[Red Faction]

I see exactly the same things wrong with it that I see with Irish people supporting Celtic. It's not their local team, and for all that in both cases it's a hangover from childhood, in an Irish context support for either is wrapped up in sectarian identity.

Fuck you, I'll support whoever I like.
Of course supporting Celtic is a hangover from childhood, why else would I look forward to 'the biggest game of the season', a 5-0 drubbing by slovakian amateurs.
Most football fans got into supporting their teams as a child. Clown.
My 'sectarian identity' wouldnt be different if I didnt support celtic you judgemental fucktard.
Suck on your own cunt.

Anyway
9 goals, 2 matches
WOO HOO!!!

I appreciate Strachan's attitude, 0-2 down, bring on strikers to make a difference, but fuck...
that defence needs a good sorting out- theres many an SPL team capable of humiliating a back line that incompetent (motherwell, case in point).
makes you wonder tho, brand new 'wonder manager', £7million transfer budget (more than the rest of the entire SPL) and what do we get?
a lucky 4-4 escape against a side who'll be lucky to finish in the top 6!!!

i think we might be a little bit fucked this season

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Fuck you, I'll support whoever I like.

Another witty, coherent and reasoned response from a Celtic fan, as is to be expected.