Discussion in 'general sports' started by muser, Mar 19, 2006.
I wouldn't want to go within a mile of suggesting Joshua hasn't fought anybody, but he certainly fought Klitchko and Povetkin at the right time in their careers. The other side though is that he fought them when he was relatively inexperienced himself. He's beating everybody who is around in the era he's fighting. He does need to fight Wilder though to really make that claim. A fully fit Fury would have posed him some interesting problems, but sparking Wilder out is probably the fight that would push him up in the 'best pound for pound fighter' lists.
Anyway, having said all that, what he really is showing is an ability to clear his head and not panic, taking bit shots from Klitchko, White and now Povetkin. Klitchko would have beaten him if he'd really pressed the attack after the knockdown... but he didn't.
Anyone else been watching the Fury Wilder build up? I know it's all just WWF style bluster, but am enjoying it so far.
I reckon Tyson is looking quite trim and will give Wilder his biggest challenge yet. Reckon Fury for the win if he comes in anywhere near his best. Wilder just seems a one trick pony to me, but you never know with these big lads and that right hand.
Wilder can't win on points, Fury can't win by knockout, imo.
I reckon given Fury can in no way be ready for an opponent like Wilder, and has been dropped twice in his career by fighters not renowned for being heavy handed, Wilder wins this by knockout. He only has to catch him properly a couple of times, I think. This being Fury he might just talk himself into winning, but I think Wilder wins by KO in rounds 6-8.
I think there's a real if small chance Fury could win this, by winning ugly. Same time, he was mad taking the fight. He probably would have had more chance against Joshua (though, again, wouldn't have been favourite).
I don't know what to make of it really. Wilder looks dangerous but he's certainly been rocked a couple of times and has he really been tested? He doesn't appear to be rated in the US given he can't even sell out small-ish venues. Or is that just a general malaise around the heavyweight division and boxing in the US in general?
Fury of Dusseldorf wins, clearly, but how much of that Fury is left? Two fights, one of which was a bit of a joke, doesn't seem like much prep to me.
If I was a betting man I'd say Wilder by KO but really it'd be a guess.
I think this is the crux, Wilder is just a guess as he's never fought anyone decent, or at least decent and still in their prime. He's an awful boxer, really.
I'm still excited though, I reckon Fury will show him up in the ring.
Wilder could arguably have been stopped against Ortiz as in the 7th he was reeling and only offering taps to show he had any means of defending himself - but Ortiz is a bigger puncher than Tyson and it's worth noting that Wilder stayed out of trouble for the next two rounds then finished Ortiz in the 10th. I just can't see Tyson hurting him enough to stop it, but I can definitely see Wilder stopping Fury.
The power thing is a funny one, I've read things about Fury being a very powerful puncher from those who've sparred and fought him. I'm sure if he went out to do an AJ type knockout he could if he chose, but it's not his fighting style, and he'd be open to the counter.
I mean, any 6 foot 9 bloke is going to have some weight behind their punches. I'd love to get all the top heavyweights to have a go in the same room on one of those fairground punching machines to see who has the most power. I'd imagine there wouldn't be much in it. I might pitch it to Channel 4 or summat.
With Chris Eubank as presenter?
Fury is such a prick with all the shit he comes out with - and a drug cheat of course. But there's a bit of me would certainly like to see him beat Wilder - and do well against Joshua. He's not exactly an orthodox defensive boxer, but there is something interesting watching him lumbering around in the ungainly way he has, whilst still remaining out of reach.
If Fury beats Wilder he beats Aj for my money. From a purely selfish perspective I'd prefer a Wilder win because AJ v Wilder at Wembley in April looks inevitable and would be a really good match up.
If Fury wins there will inevitably be a re-match, AJ will take on White in April and the whole things slows again.
Yeah, not too keen on the Whyte rematch, i quite like Whyte too, but he's not quite at the top level. I reckon you're right though, it's a fight that's on the cards if Fury wins.
Would still love a Fury - Joshua fight though. I just can't warm to Joshua, the whole greasy Hearn thing and some of the insincere nonsense AJ spouts puts me off, as well as his limited ability. He says some shite that's more ludicrous than Wilder and Fury at times, but does it in such a way he must get people to believe it. I'd love to see Fury goad him in a press conference, you just know he'd bite. He's good, no doubt, but a very flawed boxer. I could see Whyte taking him, or even someone like Joyce if they really went for him.
Fury seems lucid and credible in this interview
Yeah, definitely. Same time, if he really was being honest and open he would have engaged with the questions about drugs and his previous wild statements. But yeah, the best I've heard him otherwise. He almost got me believing he can beat wilder.
I think he wanted to avoid those questions for his own mental state as he didn't want to get bogged down in the dark times of the recent past. He does talk a lot of sense and I think his past dubious comments are probably from a more immature young man and he realises what a knob he was being.
He seems like a nice person deep down, but so too does Wilder, so it's hard to pick a baddy to 'hate' in this fight. Should be a cracking fight if he's been training hard.
Just a heads up that Hughie Fury is fighting Pulev this Saturday for HW title eliminator. Potentially the winner could be a mandatory for Joshua in April.
It's live on Channel 5, so no sky or pay per view, which is always a bonus.
Hope Hughie does it, he was good in his last fight and seems a likeable fellow.
Hughie v AJ, while not my first choice, would be an intriguing match up.
Pretty poor fight. Pulev deservedly won, but Fury didn't have much of a plan B. Haven't seen much of Fury other than the Parker fight, but to be be honest he doesn't look like he can make it at the very top level.
by the by, the ref was terrible, allowing Pulev several headlocks per round. Amazed the commentators didn't make more of it. Didn't affect the fight, but was shockingly weak by the ref, particularly as he had a clear view of most of them.
Anyone planning to watch the fight on Sunday morning?
I will be for sure, I'll get up for it instead of staying up for it tho'.
I hope Fury wins, he shouldn't have a hope like but you never fuckin know. Him v AJ for the undisputed next year would be the biggest fight this country has or ever will see.
Wilder by knock out in round 6 or 7. Upthread I was fence sitting a bit but I've come to the conclusion Fury doesn't stand a chance. This fight has come far too early into his comeback.
The way Fury was carrying on in the press conference he deserves to get put down.
I suspect you are right on that. Suppose it all depends on how Wilder responds to Fury's twitchy little feints and movements. It seems to hypnotise some fighters to the point where they stop throwing. Wilder though...
Fury is more of a boxing practitioner than most people seem to realise
If he doesn’t get caught early on with a wild wilder bomb and he shouldn’t, he’s incredibly evasive he will frustrate and box wilder to a stand still. Hopefully wilder will make defensive mistakes and i’d Like to see fury put him down later on.
I’ve followed Fury from the start of his career, was at the O2 and Düsseldorf. Apart from being a gobby idiot he is a difficult watch, he frequently looks messy and has a flinchy looking defence but that’s just the style and size of him and how he muddles /unsettles fighters
I can’t agree with people who say he doesn’t have power, he is very fast, 6’9, has huge levers and technique. Not to mention his 19 KOs in 27 fights
I’ll be sitting in watching it
Hoping Fury will put him down too. I mean, being realistic, 'Wilder's only fought one real (dubious) top 10 contender in an old, past it Ortiz and Ortiz nearly wiped him out.
He has got that awful but effective punching 'technique' though, so as long as he doesntd land flush, and providing Fury is fight fit, it should be a good fight. I just hope it goes a few rounds and isn't a complete mismatch on either side, but with these two, who knows?
Still, I'll be getting up to watch it. Is it meant to start around 4.30 ish Sunday morning?
Expected ringwalk is 4.30 a.m., yes.
The beard is off, Fury is looking the business
i have stuck a score on that wanker fury. profits to charidee
Just to win?
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