The 'abolition of Parliament bill': New Labour's madness - the law-is-an-assylum

[Brainaddict]

"Repeal or replace any legislation"? Does that really mean ANY? Because couldn't a government do something like delay a general election using that sort of thing. Y'know in the interests of national security or something?!

Yes, it looks like it from the above. The Guardian article on it says there are 'safeguards' built in to stop such things happening but also points out that such safeguards often aren't worth much.

If this comes anywhere near going through Parliament I would seriously find it difficult to argue for peaceful demonstration...

 

[kyser_soze]

"Repeal or replace any legislation"? Does that really mean ANY? Because couldn't a government do something like delay a general election using that sort of thing. Y'know in the interests of national security or something?!

Yep - in theory it could do anything it wanted.

Altho my money is on even the useless,apathetic mass doing something about it by then.

If this comes anywhere near going through Parliament I would seriously find it difficult to argue for peaceful demonstration...

I couldn't - passing legislation that amounts to little more than martial law in waiting would demand an equivalent response from the Mass which would be anything but.

I'm not being specious about the Charles I comparisons - this is akin to absolute rule of monarchs.

 

[magneze]

Yes, it looks like it from the above. The Guardian article on it says there are 'safeguards' built in to stop such things happening but also points out that such safeguards often aren't worth much.

If this comes anywhere near going through Parliament I would seriously find it difficult to argue for peaceful demonstration...

I can see what you mean. However, that could be very counterproductive as the government could point at the non-peaceful demonstrators as something the country needs to be protected from...

 

[MatthewCuffe]

This must not go through Parliament. NO PASARAN. If it does, as a non-violent politician I would leave the country immediately and continue to resist from abroad.

 

[Brainaddict]

I can see what you mean. However, that could be very counterproductive as the government could point at the non-peaceful demonstrators as something the country needs to be protected from...

But at a certain point if the government is not open to persuasion or to peaceful demonstration I think there would be no choice. Let's hope we don't get there

 

[magneze]

But at a certain point if the government is not open to persuasion or to peaceful demonstration I think there would be no choice. Let's hope we don't get there

I see that as the end of a long road. The most worrying thing about this bill is that this government has started along it at all.

I asked earlier ... what's the proposed justification for this? Does anyone know?

 

[cybertect]

Walk Blair from S James to Charing Cross and decapitate him, same as happened to Charles I who wanted similar bollocks.

The journey needn't be even as far as Charing Cross. Charles I was executed outside John Nash's Banqueting House in Whitehall, conveniently just opposite Downing Street.

 

[laptop]

I read the Bill late last night. It's not very long.

It seemed that what the government is saying it wants is the power to rewrite any Act it likes in the "modern" language it prefers.

Which I hate. It takes a while to get used to old-style Acts with their "this section shall be subject to the requirements of Section 13(23)a and shall not apply if the conditions in Paragraph 26 e to k inclusive or Schedule 666(1)z are met" cross-referencing. But once I'd taught myself to read them, I was well set up as a computer programmer

Now they like to produce Bills that are endless screeds of repetitive cut and paste - often a dozen consecutive identical clauses, each differing by one word. To work out what they're actually up to, I have to translate back to the old form.

Which means that organisations from Liberty to Shelter will have a full-time job on their hands working out what changes are being snuck in. Which is, I suspect, the point. Especially given how hard it is to organise Parliamentary opposition to such things.

And that's all before you get to the other agenda of actual changes to the law by Ministerial diktat.

Edited to add: I was answering magneze's question while you were typing it

 

[DOA]

Oh, i don't know, there might be any number of reasons for the government sidelining parliament and ruling by absolute decree.......

such as umm..........

well, maybe umm..........

well i'm sure they have their reasons, and we just need to trust them, and all the governments and politicians in the future who we haven't met yet, who almost certainly won't abuse these powers....

 

[magneze]

That's a pretty pisspoor reason if you ask me. I find it amazing that this sort of thing is even proposed - aren't there more important things for a government to be worried about, unless they have an ulteriour motive of course ...

 

[Lock&Light]

Oh, i don't know, there might be any number of reasons for the government sidelining parliament and ruling by absolute decree.......

such as umm..........

well, maybe umm..........

well i'm sure they have their reasons, and we just need to trust them, and all the governments and politicians in the future who we haven't met yet, who almost certainly won't abuse these powers....

I know you're a conspiracist, but if you really believe what you have written, then I'd advise a visit to the doctor.

 

[MatthewCuffe]

I think everyone posting to this thread is, let's say, not totally in favour of this one becoming law.

What is the best strategy for us to use as a collective to resist it?

 

[magneze]

I know you're a conspiracist, but if you really believe what you have written, then I'd advise a visit to the doctor.

do you support this bill?

 

[MatthewCuffe]

I've put up my red cent tonight - http://blairwitch.typepad.com

And see http://www.myspace.com/blairwitchimpeachment

I can't be bothered arguing any longer. This is WRONG. It is part of a PATTERN that is WRONG called NEW LABOUR.

What is to be done?

 

[Lock&Light]

do you support this bill?

I think I'll wait until I know something more about it before making that sort of decision. Might be better if more people did that too.

 

[MatthewCuffe]

L&l - Right. Normally I Don't Respond To Idiocy On The Boards But On This Occasion You Need To Be Told The Truth, The Whole Truth And Nothing But The Truth.

There Are Links On This Thread To The Bill And To Comment In The Times On The Bill.

Go Away Now.

Read Those Links.

Use Your Brain.

Only After All Of That, And Only If You Have Something Useful To Say, Should You Return.

We Do Not Have Time To Waste On Ignorant People. We Are Resisting A Tyrant Who Manipulates Ignorance In Order To Create His Tyranny.

WHY NOT GO AND WATCH ALGAE GROWING OR PAINT DRYING INSTEAD OF POSTING YOUR DREARY AND INADEQUATE COMMENTARY.

 

[Azrael23]

NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM.

Unfortunately.


There are some good links on anti-terrorism legislation here;

AJ`s PrisonPlanet

 

[Lock&Light]

L&l - Right. Normally I Don't Respond To Idiocy On The Boards But On This Occasion You Need To Be Told The Truth, The Whole Truth And Nothing But The Truth.

And to think that I was once described as patronising!

 

[MatthewCuffe]

You Do Not Heed My Admonition, Friend.

We Urgently Require Strategies To Smash This Disgraceful Enabling Bill Into A Thousand Fragments.

Unless You Have Something Useful To Say, Go And Watch The Weakest Link.

Those Are The Final Words I Will Utter To You Unless You Provide Me With Something Of Substance.

 

[Lock&Light]

You Do Not Heed My Admonition, Friend.

We Urgently Require Strategies To Smash This Disgraceful Enabling Bill Into A Thousand Fragments.

Unless You Have Something Useful To Say, Go And Watch The Weakest Link.

Those Are The Final Words I Will Utter To You Unless You Provide Me With Something Of Substance.

Why don't you just go fuck yourself, mate.

 

[Azrael23]

I agree with Matthew.

Except the entirety of the banking and power system needs to be smashed. Not just one bill which is simply symptomatic of the aims of the people who created the entire system of power.

 

[MatthewCuffe]

Azrael, thank you for the link.

Alex Jones comes up with good information and is a tireless investigator.

However, I will personally dispense with the general air of conspiracy paranoia tha varnishes all the good information.

Such Room 101 chatter gets in the way of removing the war criminal sitting in Number 10.

They cannot organise schools, hospitals, trains, armies, or a thousand other things. They also cannot organise secret societies of reptiles or goat-sacrificing nutcases.

We need our power back in the face of the New World Disorder. Believing conspiracy hype takes your power away from your elbow.

Keep the information flowing.

 

[Azrael23]

You are wrong my friend. They could organise schools and transport but why would it be in their interests to do so.

The classic tool of recent decades whenever there is an agenda and someone is implicated in making very suspect decisions to support it, is the incompetency card.
Look at 9/11, if anything was ever ceded to those who pointed out the glaring mistakes in the official storyline not to mention the govt complicity...it was that so-and-so faceless official "made a mistake"...ohhhh....then its all forgotten about. Thats what michael moores film was about, it was about getting the american public to think bush was just stupid and too busy playing golf and thats why 9/11 was allowed to happen. Its very transparent.

These people aren`t stupid and yes they are all linked to occult groups.

Anthony Blair is a member of the Knights of Malta which is a self-confessed occult group. George Bush is a Knight of Eulogia....again self-confessed, he talks of the "honour" of being inducted into the Skull and Bones group.

Wake up, people like us are not whackos, we`re trying to warn you.

Remember that paranoia means being in possession of all the facts.

So please respect my findings and don`t condescend, we don`t need division in the face of this police state.

 

[Lock&Light]

Anthony Blair is a member of the Knights of Malta which is a self-confessed occult group. George Bush is a Knight of Eulogia....again self-confessed, he talks of the "honour" of being inducted into the Skull and Bones group.

I'm just repeating your words, as I think it's important that everyone knows what they're dealing with.

 

[Azrael23]

This is a spiritual conflict as well as a political, economic, physical one.

Join the Rebel Alliance.

 

[MatthewCuffe]

It is all those things. The Alliance is flowering. All blessings.

 

[goneforlunch]

You can see from the picture that Blair has conned us. No wonder the Conservatives agree with 3/4 of what he says - he is one.

Tony Blair is no more a Conservative than David Cameron is. The Conservative manifesto at the general election was a virtual carbon copy of Labour's (spin apart). There wasn't even a promise of a decent tax cut after years of crippling taxes FFS! Cameron is con artist too, but there are less Tory diehards to be taken in by the con now.

TBH I can't see too many Tories supporting this, let alone it actually coming into law since it violates so much of parliaments power - for a newspaper like the Mail or Torygraph the easiest line is to reiterate 'control freak Blair' and for the Tories under Cameron it's a wide open goal - even Thatch never tried to get something like this through.

The Torygraph has buried this in its legal column. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...law09.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/02/09/ixhome.html, and even then you have to scroll right down to the bottom to find it. The Torygraph, just like the Tories, is very selective in its opposition to Blair. It criticises "bright shiny things" (see Binka's post near the beginning of the thread.)

And that's before the huge number of legal challenges it could face within the EU.

That's the whole point of this Bill. Thousands of diktats come from Brussels every year and parliament simply doesn't have the time to debate them properly. Therefore the government needs to get them through more easily. The EU will not be objecting!

I am as unhappy with the Conservatives as most of you are with Labour, and I agree with a lot of the comments made on this thread (and I'm not too pleased with Labour. I hate 'em all!) The Conservatives are not on my side and they have barely raised a squawk in protest.

 

[laptop]

Thousands of diktats come from Brussels every year

Which is a bit of an ironic phrase to use in this context.

Yes, the process of producing EU law is not as open as it could be.

But it's a fuck of a sight more open than the process of producing UK law.

And the EU Parliament does seem to have gutted the wossname - Services Directive - of its one worst feature.

Whereas, unless someone comes up with a damn good slogan that will motivate a bunch of Blair loyalist identikit NuLabor MPs to defy their Leader, this one will sail through the oh-so-democratic UK parliament.

 

[Azrael23]

I think your forgetting that theres no point in a law if no one follows it.

We don`t HAVE to do anything.

 

[MatthewCuffe]

No, we don't. But the slogan "Give me sloth or give me death" isn't going to be much help in the middle of the mushroom clouds in London, New York, and Tehran.