"That's shit, mate"

[boskysquelch]

That's what you mean isn't it?

Yeah..and I do it with Magazines, Galleries, Libraries, Portfolios too... I think it's always been a Photography thing too...I'm sure there is a Sontag/Berger/Clarke thing somewhere about how snaps are insidiously industrious in output, consumption and consideration...the thing where Photgraphy is the Coke of Art...and tho I enjoy the Net...or other sources; they are like 24-packs.

I heard a very interesting interview with thingyHodgkins a couple of weeks back...not that that'll help anyone..but I very much am akin to his outlook on stuff so personal, as the consideration of your own or other's "art".

I'm not of the don't say it if it'll hurt someone school, I'll hurt if I think it will help...if I dunt think it'll help I don't bother...much!

 

[Stanley Edwards]

Howard Hodgkins is cool.

Very strange times we're living in. Scary also. We should consider ourselves to be very lucky.

I'm currently being eaten alive by mosquitoes

 

[boskysquelch]

Hell yeah...

I've jus made a DVD for my daughter of

Altered States, Blade Runner, Casshern, Harvey, Romeo & Juliet(modern version) & Straw Dogs.

My dad used to buy ME the Telegraph EVERY FUCKING DAY!

 

[Skim]

Saying "that's shit" is a cop-out. Articulate why you think it's crap, offer a suggestion on how you think it could be improved, offer an example of how it could be done better. That's not brown-nosing, just a more constructive way of doing things.

Declaring "that's shit" isn't moving anything forward. Be honest about what you really feel, by all means, but articulate it properly. Telling someone their work is shit says less about the work in question and more about the critic's need to elevate themselves by using lazy put-downs.

One man's shite can be another man's nectar and ambrosia. Or yet another man's diarrhea.

Quite

 

[besgreyling]

Well Stanley, good for you. I personally have been hurt too many times becaus others could not give their critism in a positive way. There is no need to break some one down.

And, not wanting too stand in the way of a discussion - I rest my case.

 

[Stanley Edwards]

Saying "that's shit" is a cop-out...

Is saying "that's good" equally a cop out?

 

[Stanley Edwards]

Well Stanley, good for you. I personally have been hurt too many times becaus others could not give their critism in a positive way. There is no need to break some one down.

And, not wanting too stand in the way of a discussion - I rest my case.

Egotist.

To many people here get to easily upset by criticism. If you don't want to take the chance on someone expressing a view about your photography that is different to your own then don't put it in the public domain.

If you just want your ego pandered then go post on one of the many, many, many other dull as fuck photography forums where people stroke each others egos all the time. They're sickening places mind.

 

[besgreyling]

Egotist.

To many people here get to easily upset by criticism. If you don't want to take the chance on someone expressing a view about your photography that is different to your own then don't put it in the public domain.

If you just want your ego pandered then go post on one of the many, many, many other dull as fuck photography forums where people stroke each others egos all the time. They're sickening places mind.

wow - you sound really mad. I am not going to fight with you and I don't like bitching. I am entitled to have my own opinion you know - it doesn't have to be the same as yours. This site is new experience for me, no matter what you think. And I will decide myself when and where I would like to have my photo's seen. And it would be a bonus if that can happen in a friendly way.

 

[Stanley Edwards]

wow - you sound really mad...

Not really. You've just inadvertently run into an ongoing squabble

 

[Skim]

Is saying "that's good" equally a cop out?

It's a bit boring – some explanation why would be better.

But generally I'd rather offer encouragement than "that's shit". I've seen a lot of photos I don't like on this forum, but there is nothing to gain from telling the poster "your photos are shit", except to antagonise them.

If the poster has asked for feedback then I'll offer something constructive. I don't need to put other people down to make myself feel better.

 

[Dr_Herbz]

Egotist.

To many people here get to easily upset by criticism. If you don't want to take the chance on someone expressing a view about your photography that is different to your own then don't put it in the public domain.

If you just want your ego pandered then go post on one of the many, many, many other dull as fuck photography forums where people stroke each others egos all the time. They're sickening places mind.

criticism
n 1: disapproval expressed by pointing out faults or
shortcomings.
2: a serious examination and judgment of something.
3: a written evaluation of a work of art or literature.

Which of the above is "that's shyte" representative of?

 

[Stanley Edwards]

...I don't need to put other people down to make myself feel better.

No. Neither do I. Would be a very boring world if everyone kept their trap shut unless they had something nice to say though. Sometimes people need to be told

However, I shall in future ascertain the full character of a poster and their sensitivity in future before mouthing off.

Possibly.

 

[Stanley Edwards]

criticism
n 1: disapproval expressed by pointing out faults or
shortcomings.
2: a serious examination and judgment of something.
3: a written evaluation of a work of art or literature.

Which of the above is "that's shyte" representative of?

Fuck you're stupid.

"That's shyte" a criticism.

1. the act of passing judgment as to the merits of anything.
2. the act of passing severe judgment; censure; faultfinding.
3. the act or art of analyzing and evaluating or judging the quality of a literary or artistic work, musical performance, art exhibit, dramatic production, etc.
4. a critical comment, article, or essay; critique.
5. any of various methods of studying texts or documents for the purpose of dating or reconstructing them, evaluating their authenticity, analyzing their content or style, etc.: historical criticism; literary criticism.
6. investigation of the text, origin, etc., of literary documents, esp. Biblical ones: textual criticism.

 

[Skim]

Would be a very boring world if everyone kept their trap shut unless they had something nice to say though. Sometimes people need to be told

It's not particularly about being nice – just useful. This forum doesn't need to be polite, but it definitely needs views more articulate than "that's shit".

 

[Stanley Edwards]

It's not particularly about being nice – just useful. This forum doesn't need to be polite, but it definitely needs views more articulate than "that's shit".

It's "that's shyte" actually, but I won't be pedantic.

This forum doesn't need anything. It works as the best photography forum I've ever found as it is. Characters come and go. Some stay. Most importantly it has character. It's akin to walking into a real pub full of different people with different views and different ideas. Mouthy twats like me, thoughtful gits like you, dumb fucks like "......" all spitting into the same saw dust (and still smoking to boot). As opposed to walking into some sterile chrome and leather shit boring image parlour.

I'll articulate if I think articulation will be listened to. I'll shout shyte when shyte is merited.