Thanks Cardiff!

[Clint Iguana]

don't Cardiff coucil have a stake still?

Not sure... but it will only be a share in the stadium company ..... The Liberty is Council, lock stock and barrel.

 

[LilMissHissyFit]

Mr thinks your treatment by the RUGBY CLUB is clouding your assesement of the best FOOTBALL stadium in Wales.

Granted it does not have the character of Ninian Park/Arms Park; granted it is modern and functional; granted the bars (for us proles at least) are like drinking in an aircraft hanger .... but such is modern stadium design. Of all the modern stadiums i have visited in recent years, cardiff is one of the best. The only ground i can think of that is definitley nicer than ours is Arsenal's Emirates stadium... and even there the view is crap unless you are high up at the back.

How you can say the council owned ground down west is better is beyond me.

precisely... we dont want to be in a FOOTBALL stadium
Thats one of the major factors in me preferring the liberty... its more multi purpose, its a ground share and nope, the majority dont want to be there from the Blues supporters ( and many are voting with their feet and not being there as far as I can tell from the gates)

My view of the stadium, Im entitled to.... it doesnt make it a nicer stadium in my eyes because the football club own it any more than it makes any difference to me who owns the liberty.
To me the difference is the way its used.... football fans have always gone into the ground, watched the match and left for whatever pub they frequent. It wont make much difference to a footy fan that there arent any facilities as - long as they have a good view ( and that is fair enough at the new stadium- there is that)

Rugby has a different culture, one that isnt met by the facilities which are on offer at the new stadium... its not a nice stadium and its not a nice experience for rugby... There isnt anywhere to go with it really, people are stuck with it... doesnt make it a wonderful ground though

 

[1927]

How is CCS a football stadium, but Liberty is multi purpose?

The football fans frequent the stadium before the game far more than they did NP. Before a game now the area under the stands is buzzing with people drinking and watching the midday kick offs on the screens around the ground.

As a matter of interest what facilities does the stadium lack that you would like to see?

 

[Gromit]

Oh god if only it were true and Cardiff wasn't multipurpose. We'd have proper grass then and not this hybrid shit and rugby players tearing it up and ruining it.

 

[LilMissHissyFit]

How is CCS a football stadium, but Liberty is multi purpose?

The football fans frequent the stadium before the game far more than they did NP. Before a game now the area under the stands is buzzing with people drinking and watching the midday kick offs on the screens around the ground.

As a matter of interest what facilities does the stadium lack that you would like to see?

lounges, bars, seating areas....restaurants etc outside the ground and maybe family areas( lounges) inside the ground and not just family seating areas in the stadium, proper areas for families to frequent before and after the game

You go to any rugby ground, it has all these things, either in the ground or in the immediate vicinity. People going to the new stadium have a choice of about 5 drinks, all hugely overpriced served in plastic cups over a stainless steel counter and can lean against a souless windswept area which resembles a multi story car park minus the stinking piss ridden lifts, adorned with Cardiff City references ( but none to the Blues) and the odd Tv screen

Hardly welcoming or hospitable... especially compared with the facilities offered by the old arms park, as crumbly as it was, at least you could meet your friends and enjoy a meal or a drink before or after the game in relative comfort- whoever you are/were... without having to frequent 'hospitality areas'
I dont know how it works for the footy but thats the score for the rugby... the sponsors, they get a bar( as in somewhere warm to sitm pleasant and clean with a range of drinks and so on available- akin to a pub, not a fast food joint serving beer), the rest? They can pay up, fuck off and rough it

Its about the complete clash of cultures between the rugby and football crowds in the main IMHO. Rugby crowds operate in a different way, the Cardiff City stadium doesnt offer facilities conductive to rugby

 

[Clint Iguana]

lounges, bars, seating areas....restaurants etc outside the ground and maybe family areas( lounges) inside the ground and not just family seating areas in the stadium, proper areas for families to frequent before and after the game

You go to any rugby ground, it has all these things, either in the ground or in the immediate vicinity. People going to the new stadium have a choice of about 5 drinks, all hugely overpriced served in plastic cups over a stainless steel counter and can lean against a souless windswept area which resembles a multi story car park minus the stinking piss ridden lifts, adorned with Cardiff City references ( but none to the Blues) and the odd Tv screen

Hardly welcoming or hospitable... especially compared with the facilities offered by the old arms park, as crumbly as it was, at least you could meet your friends and enjoy a meal or a drink before or after the game in relative comfort- whoever you are/were... without having to frequent 'hospitality areas'
I dont know how it works for the footy but thats the score for the rugby... the sponsors, they get a bar( as in somewhere warm to sitm pleasant and clean with a range of drinks and so on available- akin to a pub, not a fast food joint serving beer), the rest? They can pay up, fuck off and rough it

Its about the complete clash of cultures between the rugby and football crowds in the main IMHO. Rugby crowds operate in a different way, the Cardiff City stadium doesnt offer facilities conductive to rugby

I am sure we would all like a nice old oak bar with a selection of real ales and ciders; a bar where everybody knows your name..... but when you have 20,000 plus people in the ground, many of them wanting a pint, it is just not practical. Which is why the stadium has a closer resemblence to that other rugby mecca ... the Millenuim Stadium (which does not have any of the luxuries you would like to see either)

I have not been in the family stand, but as i understand it there are a lot of family type things going down underneath it that are not in the other areas of the ground.

There are plenty of little football clubs up and down the valleys that have the cosy feel you are looking for. I dont think it is rugby v football.... it is more big club v little club.

 

[1927]

lounges, bars, seating areas....restaurants etc outside the ground and maybe family areas( lounges) inside the ground and not just family seating areas in the stadium, proper areas for families to frequent before and after the game

You go to any rugby ground, it has all these things, either in the ground or in the immediate vicinity. People going to the new stadium have a choice of about 5 drinks, all hugely overpriced served in plastic cups over a stainless steel counter and can lean against a souless windswept area which resembles a multi story car park minus the stinking piss ridden lifts, adorned with Cardiff City references ( but none to the Blues) and the odd Tv screenHardly welcoming or hospitable... especially compared with the facilities offered by the old arms park, as crumbly as it was, at least you could meet your friends and enjoy a meal or a drink before or after the game in relative comfort- whoever you are/were... without having to frequent 'hospitality areas'
I dont know how it works for the footy but thats the score for the rugby... the sponsors, they get a bar( as in somewhere warm to sitm pleasant and clean with a range of drinks and so on available- akin to a pub, not a fast food joint serving beer), the rest? They can pay up, fuck off and rough it

Its about the complete clash of cultures between the rugby and football crowds in the main IMHO. Rugby crowds operate in a different way, the Cardiff City stadium doesnt offer facilities conductive to rugby

I dont remember CAP having any of these facilities.

Maybe its cos its our stadium and Blues are just the tenants, and as far as screens is concerned you wont find many better equipped stadia in the country.

 

[Clint Iguana]

I dont remember CAP having any of these facilities.

Or the Liberty !

 

[1927]

Or the Liberty !

I think LMHF is confusing the facilities offered by the stadium with its location, which are two entirely different arguments. can I suggest that she frequents Canton rugby club before the game who would be glad to offer her all that she wants less than 5 minutes away, or maybe the Ninian pub.

 

[Padcore]

Oh and yer welcome Padcore.

Hope you Scots appreciated the fact that let a couple of you guys (2000 or so it seemed) in the home end and there wasn't any hassle. Doubt that would happen at an England match.

We were only initially given 2000 official tickets from the Welsh FA, we then got a thousand or so more. But the only way to get official tickets is to be in the SUpporters Club. Some of the mates I go with aren't in that so we always source home end tickets as a last resort.

I'm sure it would have been a different matter if there wasn't so many free seats. It's great all being mixed though. Like when we beat France in Paris the split of fans was near enough 50/50 with the Scots all over the french end.

It's only England that causes the bother. EVER. FACT!

 

[LilMissHissyFit]

I dont remember CAP having any of these facilities.

Maybe its cos its our stadium and Blues are just the tenants, and as far as screens is concerned you wont find many better equipped stadia in the country.

you havent been or you have avery poor memory then.... CAP has ALL of these. The liberty has them in the immediate area ( two restaurants and two or three pubs)

and given that its alledgely a ground share ( Ho hummmm) it would be nice to have some Cardiff Blues stuff up and around... oh and Im much happier watching the screens... in my house.. than paying to frequent the barren, souless shithole that is the new stadium

 

[1927]

you havent been or you have avery poor memory then.... CAP has ALL of these. The liberty has them in the immediate area ( two restaurants and two or three pubs)
and given that its alledgely a ground share ( Ho hummmm) it would be nice to have some Cardiff Blues stuff up and around... oh and Im much happier watching the screens... in my house.. than paying to frequent the barren, souless shithole that is the new stadium

Where?

As suspected you are confusing the stadium facilities with its location.

You can call it a ground share if you want, but at the end of the day you're just lodgers in someone else's home. I've never let my lodgers chose the way I decorate my home!!

Fair enough if you want to stay at home, you don't hurt my club, just the club you purport to support, our rent money is safe. Until Peter decides to pull the plug anyway!!

Its bound to be with the meagre support the Blues muster.

 

[LilMissHissyFit]

Not at all, CAP had at least four different bars as well as the use of the airspace lounge for sponsors and you could have a meal upstairs in the clubhouse before the game.....and they were real bars, a selection of beers, ciders, wine, spirits etc....

But hey, you clearly havent been recently, nor spent much time there or you would know that.. and yes the blues are mustering meagre suport because people dont want to be there

will be interesting to see what happens when Peter Thomas pulls theplug on the rental... since the grounds existence very much depends on the rent from the Blues... and he will eventually because people are staying away. the gates are evidence of it. The Club didnt care about the fans and now many of the fans are saying "fuck it, I can get a great view of the game and comfort at home"- for free!

 

[1927]

Not at all, CAP had at least four different bars as well as the use of the airspace lounge for sponsors and you could have a meal upstairs in the clubhouse before the game.....and they were real bars, a selection of beers, ciders, wine, spirits etc....

But hey, you clearly havent been recently, nor spent much time there or you would know that.. and yes the blues are mustering meagre suport because people dont want to be there

will be interesting to see what happens when Peter Thomas pulls theplug on the rental... since the grounds existence very much depends on the rent from the Blues... and he will eventually because people are staying away. the gates are evidence of it. The Club didnt care about the fans and now many of the fans are saying "fuck it, I can get a great view of the game and comfort at home"- for free!

Unfortunately the Blues have signed a 20 year lease so pulling the plug on the rent wont be so easy. Anyway by the time that happens, if it does, we will be playing Premiership football so the rent money will be a drop in the Ocean and in all honesty will be worth paying to have you evicted than have to put up witha dual code stadium. Of course this is assuming that the Blues are still in existence, the stadium move will hopefully bankrupt them and I will happily dance on their grave.

As an aside, do the Blues still claim in their programmes to have been founded in 1876?