Thank you UK

[Johnny Canuck3]

Turns out hostage James Loney is gay, but that fact was kept quiet, to lessen the chance that his islamic captors would harm him as a result.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=f09991b8-25c5-4e4e-af38-54ad9815d977

 

[vimto]

Vimto, you were off ignore long enough for me to read that next post, so I can answer the question for rs's benefit.

Vimto, you're on ignore because you're a boring and tiresome person whom I have no time for.

Now, back on ignore for you.....

Heigh ho.....

You're so masterful!!!

 

[rogue yam]

Turns out hostage James Loney is gay, but that fact was kept quiet, to lessen the chance that his islamic captors would harm him as a result.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=f09991b8-25c5-4e4e-af38-54ad9815d977

This is an interesting development. It seems the CPT sought to preserve a regime that they themselves didn't trust to behave decently. So much for the naievte defense.

Homosexuality in Saddam Hussein's Iraq was punishable by death. Amnesty International says the current status of gay and lesbian rights is unclear. But here are few things that are crystal clear.

1) Jim Loney only feels free to speak his mind about his sexual orientation in a country with a government that protects gay rights.

2) Christian Peacemakers claim to have gone to Iraq to prevent the coalition forces from carrying out their mission.

3) Had the the Peacemakers succeeded in keeping Saddam Hussein in power, a homosexual in Iraq would have zero hope for having an openly gay life. We know from Loney's statement made here in Canada that even he knows that the threat to gays wasn't coming from Western Imperialism.

While Al Jazeera and other Arab media broadcast for several months the ideology of the Christian Peacemaker Teams, and CPT was only too happy to share with them their anti-American and anti-British views, they did not discuss Jim Loney's sexual orientation with those media organizations. Some members of the Canadian media knew and kept it out of their stories, respecting the reality of anti-gay hatred in countries that have not known democracy.

Une link Canadienne.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

It gets so complicated.

Gay christian preaches peace and tolerance, and is willing to risk martyrdom for the cause, but not for the cause of toleration for homosexuality.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

This is an interesting development. It seems the CPT sought to preserve a regime that they themselves didn't trust to behave decently. So much for the naievte defense.

Une link Canadienne.

It would be 'un link'.

 

[vimto]

It gets so complicated.

Gay christian preaches peace and tolerance, and is willing to risk martyrdom for the cause, but not for the cause of toleration for homosexuality.

How complicated can it get for you Johnny?

At the very least you think that Iraqi Nurses and Doctors should be shot on sight!

Tell me I'm wrong

 

[rogue yam]

How complicated can it get for you Johnny?

At the very least you think that Iraqi Nurses and Doctors should be shot on sight!

Tell me I'm wrong

Talk about the love that dares not speak its name!
I think vimto has got une crush on you, Johnny!

And if that's wrong, he don't wanna be right!

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Talk about the love that dares not speak its name!
I think vimto has got une crush on you, Johnny!

And if that's wrong, he don't wanna be right!

That would be 'un crush'.

Who knows? Is it love? It looks more like stalking to me. And it's obviously not the love that dare not speak its name: this guy can't shut up.

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[Ae589]

This is an interesting development. It seems the CPT sought to preserve a regime that they themselves didn't trust to behave decently. So much for the naievte defense.

According to wikipedia, the law in Iraq in 1969 banned homosexual relationships and allowed relatives to kill family members practising sodomy. Paul Bremer restored this 1969 criminal code in 2003*, so as far as I can see there is no difference.

"Yet, some reports from Iraqis have suggested that an active gay nightlife was tolerated by the Ba'athist government, including nightclubs and annual events with transgendered people, and that even homosexual prostitution was generally overlooked by the regime in the 1990s, at the most being something that incurred brief jail time and a small fine."


I don't think being gay in Iraq is any fun at all, then or now, and I doubt we've made things any worse, but if you take this into account, JC's comment:

"Gay christian preaches peace and tolerance, and is willing to risk martyrdom for the cause, but not for the cause of toleration for homosexuality."

.. is an oversimplification too far!


* and the death penalty was restored last year... does this mean killing your gay rellies is back on the agenda? Don't know.

 

[eyes&Ears]

Give the addy of your home site and I'll go say thank you there as well, if you would like.

Kember’s muted thanks fuels SAS rescue row
David Leppard



THE freed British hostage Norman Kember arrived back on British soil yesterday and tried to defuse a growing row over his response to the SAS mission that rescued him.

Speaking at Heathrow airport after being reunited with his wife Pat, the retired professor issued a statement to address criticism that he had failed to thank his rescuers. “I do not believe that a lasting peace is achieved by armed force, but I pay tribute to their courage and thank those who played a part in my rescue,” he said.



Kember was responding to remarks by General Sir Mike Jackson, chief of the general staff, who had suggested he had failed to express his gratitude to the troops who risked their lives to rescue him and two other hostages after four months in captivity.

Thanking those who had prayed for his release Kember, from Pinner, north London, said the world should focus on the plight of ordinary Iraqis.

“It is the ordinary people of Iraq that you should be talking to, the people who have suffered so much over many years and still await the stable and just society they deserve,” he said. Relatives of British soldiers killed or wounded in Iraq should also not be forgotten.

But the brevity of his tribute to his rescuers fuelled the row over the attitude of his group, the pacifist Christian Peacemakers Teams (CPT), to the rescue mission. Sources close to the SAS unit said the peace activists who had sponsored his visit to Iraq repeatedly failed to co-operate with special forces trying to locate and rescue him.

They said yesterday that after Kember, 74, was kidnapped last November, the CPT in Iraq declined to provide them with information that could have helped them to find him.

Well-placed sources said members of the Canadian group in Baghdad failed to provide the SAS with Kember’s mobile phone number. Cell site analysis could have helped rescuers to trace his last movements.

Doug Pritchard, co-director of the CPT worldwide, said the group had refused to meet any of the military rescue team, preferring to deal with diplomats.

“We said from the outset we didn’t want a military raid and we wouldn’t work with the military,” he said. Relations with the British embassy had become tense after the group told them it was reluctant to enter the green zone and declined to allow diplomats with military escorts to visit their offices outside the zone.

Kember was freed last Thursday after 50 soldiers, led by the SAS, stormed a building on the outskirts of western Baghdad.

Two Canadians, Harmeet Sooden, 33, and Jim Loney, 41, were also rescued. The body of Tom Fox, 54, an American who was taken hostage with them, was found in Baghdad earlier this month. He had been shot.

Kember said in his statement: “I am not ready at this time to talk about my months of captivity except to say that I am delighted to be free . . . I now need to reflect on my experience — was I foolhardy or rational? — and also to enjoy freedom in peace and quiet.”

 

[nino_savatte]

The removal of Saddam was predicated in part upon his propensity for murdering innocent people. The execution of lawfully-convicted criminals is another matter altogether.

So, so many are guilty of this and yet...the US rewards them with all sorts of assistance. Take Islam Karimov for instance, who boils his opponents alive on trumped up charges. My kind of guy.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Kember’s muted thanks fuels SAS rescue row
David Leppard



THE freed British hostage Norman Kember arrived back on British soil yesterday and tried to defuse a growing row over his response to the SAS mission that rescued him.

Speaking at Heathrow airport after being reunited with his wife Pat, the retired professor issued a statement to address criticism that he had failed to thank his rescuers. “I do not believe that a lasting peace is achieved by armed force, but I pay tribute to their courage and thank those who played a part in my rescue,” he said.



Kember was responding to remarks by General Sir Mike Jackson, chief of the general staff, who had suggested he had failed to express his gratitude to the troops who risked their lives to rescue him and two other hostages after four months in captivity.

Thanking those who had prayed for his release Kember, from Pinner, north London, said the world should focus on the plight of ordinary Iraqis.

“It is the ordinary people of Iraq that you should be talking to, the people who have suffered so much over many years and still await the stable and just society they deserve,” he said. Relatives of British soldiers killed or wounded in Iraq should also not be forgotten.

But the brevity of his tribute to his rescuers fuelled the row over the attitude of his group, the pacifist Christian Peacemakers Teams (CPT), to the rescue mission. Sources close to the SAS unit said the peace activists who had sponsored his visit to Iraq repeatedly failed to co-operate with special forces trying to locate and rescue him.

They said yesterday that after Kember, 74, was kidnapped last November, the CPT in Iraq declined to provide them with information that could have helped them to find him.

Well-placed sources said members of the Canadian group in Baghdad failed to provide the SAS with Kember’s mobile phone number. Cell site analysis could have helped rescuers to trace his last movements.

Doug Pritchard, co-director of the CPT worldwide, said the group had refused to meet any of the military rescue team, preferring to deal with diplomats.

“We said from the outset we didn’t want a military raid and we wouldn’t work with the military,” he said. Relations with the British embassy had become tense after the group told them it was reluctant to enter the green zone and declined to allow diplomats with military escorts to visit their offices outside the zone.

Kember was freed last Thursday after 50 soldiers, led by the SAS, stormed a building on the outskirts of western Baghdad.

Two Canadians, Harmeet Sooden, 33, and Jim Loney, 41, were also rescued. The body of Tom Fox, 54, an American who was taken hostage with them, was found in Baghdad earlier this month. He had been shot.

Kember said in his statement: “I am not ready at this time to talk about my months of captivity except to say that I am delighted to be free . . . I now need to reflect on my experience — was I foolhardy or rational? — and also to enjoy freedom in peace and quiet.”

Have you read the posting FAQs?

If you have (and you really should) you'll have noticed that cutting and pasting large chunks of other people's work without passing cooment (as you've done above) is frowned upon.

 

[eyes&Ears]

apologies, i cut that from the times online website, someone asked where there was a mention of britsh troops. Iused that article as a example.

 

[eyes&Ears]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2104094,00.html

That's the link if you would like to see the original article.

 

[rogue yam]

apologies, i cut that from the times online website, someone asked where there was a mention of britsh troops. Iused that article as a example.

Since you have so few posts you may not be familiar with standard u75 procedures. Persons suspected of being at all rational must follow the FAQs to the letter. If and when you have established your bonafides as a shit-spewing leftist who abhors capitalism and despises America, then it's anything goes. Enjoy!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Since you have so few posts you may not be familiar with standard u75 procedures. Persons suspected of being at all rational must follow the FAQs to the letter. If and when you have established your bonafides as a shit-spewing leftist who abhors capitalism and despises America, then it's anything goes. Enjoy!

As you're so fond of saying (if the flatus you vent can actually be called speech): You lie!

It's such a pity that you don't put as much energy into honesty as you do into invective, if you did you might actually become part-human.

 

[rogue yam]

Another curd in the poutine...

These CPT loons get hinkier by the day. Now the rescuers are not merely unworthy of thanks, they are due criticism by the rescuees! Let's listen:

National Post
Published: Saturday, April 01, 2006

The Christian Peacemaker Teams are up to their usual ungrateful tricks. Not only do some CPT activists still refuse to show any gratitude toward the coalition soldiers and spies who helped rescue three of their members in Iraq last week, one of the hostages -- Canadian Harmeet Sooden -- is now even insisting the entire rescue mission was "contrived," presumably to give the coalition a public relations boost amid continued bad news about the insurgency in that country.

Link.

I don't know what's wrong with these "Christians". Just to be safe it's Vermont syrup only for me until the source of this dementia is pinned down!

 

[nino_savatte]

These CPT loons get hinkier by the day. Now the rescuers are not merely unworthy of thanks, they are due criticism by the rescuees! Let's listen:

Link.

I don't know what's wrong with these "Christians". Just to be safe it's Vermont syrup only for me until the source of this dementia is pinned down!

"Curd", "poutine", "hinkier"...what language are you using? Because it doesn't look like English. Must be some sort of weird US vernacular.