cctv footage? surely they can access footage at the time it happened so they can see my face and know who gave the nameI’m not sure it makes any senseIf cousin can prove he was sonew here else at the time of the evasion then no one knows who gave his name... It might stop there...
TFL Fare Evasion Prosecution. HELP
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Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
Cos it happened to me twice (court appearances) and I don't have a record. Just got big fines. Still saved money though as I evaded fares loads in those days
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
looking at the article, it cites a law made in 2000, so things must have changed since
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Your info might be out of date, tbf, if you did this a while ago. You certainly can get a criminal record for fare evasion now, and if you lie about it, you can even be done for fraud.
Or it might grow and grow, eventually ensnaring his entire family...I’m not sure it makes any sense
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
skyscraper101
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Read this. And call this firm.
www.bsbsolicitors.co.uk
Fare Evasion Solicitors - BSB Solicitors
Transport For London (TFL) has an aggressive prosecution policy when it comes to Fare Evasion. We are seeing more an more examples of clients being summoned to court over unpaid fares of as little as £1.50. The most common example of fare evasion involves the use of another person’s Oyster Card...
www.bsbsolicitors.co.uk
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
There's a good chance of getting that, but you really would need to get qualified legal advice over it - solicitor or CAB.
skyscraper101
0891 50 50 50
And let us know how you get on.
Good luck.
Good luck.
Some reviewsRead this. And call this firm.
Fare Evasion Solicitors - BSB Solicitors
Transport For London (TFL) has an aggressive prosecution policy when it comes to Fare Evasion. We are seeing more an more examples of clients being summoned to court over unpaid fares of as little as £1.50. The most common example of fare evasion involves the use of another person’s Oyster Card...
Proper Tidy
Arsed
If I'm reading this right they are sending enforcement letters to another party eg your relative and don't have your name or address? If so first step is for your relly to get in touch with TFL and say not me guv.
Take it from there. They may threaten enforcement against the person for letting you use their card or they may somehow establish you as the person who evaded a fare, in which case then yeah deal with it. Or they might do fuck all, which I would have thought fairly likely given you fare dodged £3.60 not thousands and thousands over a prolonged period, in which case sound.
I mean i'd agree with seeking legal advice if they were writing to you but as far as I can see they're not?
Take it from there. They may threaten enforcement against the person for letting you use their card or they may somehow establish you as the person who evaded a fare, in which case then yeah deal with it. Or they might do fuck all, which I would have thought fairly likely given you fare dodged £3.60 not thousands and thousands over a prolonged period, in which case sound.
I mean i'd agree with seeking legal advice if they were writing to you but as far as I can see they're not?
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Btw there is a telly show on TFL revenue protection, think it's channel five or something, anyway it's actually quite good, surprising really how much effort and funding they put into it but then the lost revenue is pretty big. They build up impressive cases through card tracking and serveillance, stake outs of stations to catch repeat offenders once they've built a body of evidence. But doesn't sound like that's what they've done here from what you've said
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Just on this bit, I wouldn't bank on lack of action due to the small amount. If they think they can get an 'easy win', they can and do throw the book at people for tiny amounts. I certainly wouldn't trust them not to. That's why the only firm advice I have is not to write back pleading guilty without first taking legal advice.
they have my name, but just incorrect date of birth and address
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Yeah def don't plead guilty, and you may be right that they would prosecute, there is a reason they've bothered to send a letter. Still, from what I can see at the moment they are writing to a different person with enforcement for fare dodging, not for allowing somebody to use the card - so no reason to do anything beyond getting the recipient to respond to TFL to say I dunno what you are on about, I was in xyz on that day
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Ah ok. Not really you then. Surely a 'not at this address' then wait and see what happens
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
tbf I agree with PT that that is not a lot. Shame in a way that your cousin has opened it. Could have sent it back with 'not known at this address'.
yeah, my cousin is pleading not guilty and saying that this person is not me no one with that name lives at this address. hopefully after that it comes to a close but definitely makes family events well awkward
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
What they do check now on the spot is your address by cross-referencing with the electoral register. If they didn't do that there and then, then they are lacking that particular piece of evidence that the person they stopped was you. Without your confirmed address or dob, that is a big weakness in their case.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
My brother got a letter from HMRC questioning his tax and NI cos I used his NI number to do some weekend temping when I was underage, he knew it was cos of me and knocked me around a bit. No serious consequences for anybody if that helps. Families eh.
oh they did check on spot for my address, he asked me and i gave him the incorrect information. he called someone to check if it was correct and verified it. if you look at the letter it says he called the service to verify these details
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Has he got same/similar name to you? Really think there is a good chance if your cousin demonstrates this wasn't him - perhaps by showing he tapped in somewhere else on same day - then there is a good chance it will go away, family bother aside
skyscraper101
0891 50 50 50
So, we've established if you're into fare evasion - don't be on the electoral roll for starters.
his father has the same name apart from his middle name as me, but my cousins name is different. i tapped in at 2 stations in the morning then the oyster got taken as evidence so doubt he will be able to show he tapped elsewhere. if i stated my intent was not to fare evade as the staff let me out at liverpool street and i called my friend and told him to pick up my oyster and then resumed my journey paying correctly would that help if it gets to the court stage?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Wherever you first used your own oyster after getting booted is going to be recorded.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Possibly but at this stage it's not 'you' they are after so wouldn't really worry about that at this point.
If your cousin has a different name why is he replying at all though, much less pleading not guilty? Why not just get somebody from that household to respond to TFL stating they opened letter in error because surname or whatever the same but nobody of that name lives there and nobody at this address was on the tube at those stations on that day? There isn't really much TFL can do if nobody of that name is on electoral roll at that address
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I think you're giving the chap some pretty poor advice here. Ignoring or saying "not me" has the potential to turn a pretty shit situation into a fucking dire one by turning fare evasion into fraud.
Best shout so far is to get some proper legal advice.
wouldnt pleading not guilty and stating that there is nobody with that name in the residence not be enough for it to be a closed chapter? i think they are pleading not guilty to avoid any further hassle.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
But it isn't him they are writing to though. I'd agree if they were writing to him
