Text driver faces jail over death
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1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
Who would have been to blame if the car driver had gone thru the red light and it was the cyclist who had been texting?
No good driver spends every second looking at the road ahead. there are other reasons to take your eyes off the road. If it had been one of these other reasons that distracted the driver the cyclist would still be dea, but he would still be alive if he had not gone thru the red light. Go figure!
No good driver spends every second looking at the road ahead. there are other reasons to take your eyes off the road. If it had been one of these other reasons that distracted the driver the cyclist would still be dea, but he would still be alive if he had not gone thru the red light. Go figure!
scifisam
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1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
Where did I do that?
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
If she was merely speeding, I'd apportion all the blame to the cyclist as well. I think the culpability comes in with the texting.
Merely speeding?
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Yes, recognizing that there are degrees of speeding. I don't mean excessive speeding, but speeding is a common occurrence, that is foreseeable by most drivers on the road.
scifisam
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I guess it's an easy enough assumption to make, but it's not necessarily true. There are plenty of other ways that he could have been at that point in the road when she sped across it (slow cycling, sudden fault in the bike, etc), and she would have killed him then. All as theoretical as him not running the red light or her not texting/speeding.
@Johnny - she wasn't speedning just by a few percent, though; the speed she was going did make a difference.
Do you not have speed limits?
If I thought you were intelligent enough to fucking read them, I'd refer you to numerous other posts which disprove the "point" you are attempting to make.
But you're not. So I won't. Just go back to your colouring.
Which is exactly why speed scameras are such a bad concept - people spend far too much time obsessing with the speedometer as opposed to using observation to read the road ahead for hazards.
... of course, you should always assume that a driver has the right to be texting while doing 50% over the speed limit....
..... why spoil good points with a crap one, btw...
Structaural
in Chatsubo
Fuck her, I hope she's gaoled.
He's already paid a heavy price for his negligence.
He's already paid a heavy price for his negligence.
Bahnhof Strasse
Let's av ya fuckin' dancin'!
Lesson to lean - every road user should obey the rules of the road. They exist for a reason.
Termite Man
zombie flesh eater
actually she didn't have right of way so to speak , a green light means proceed if it is safe to do so , because of the bloke jumping the red lights it was not safe for this woman to proceed so in effect she didn't have a "right" to cross that junction at that time either . So in essence both parties ignored the actual law when it comes to traffic lights so the speeding and texting are what makes the difference between the 2 .
I'd say both parties are to blame but the split is more like 33% cyclist 66% driver .
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Well this is just nonsense.
"Proceed if it is safe to do so" refers to traffic previously held by the lights and oncoming traffic, but a driver is not reasonably expected to forsee that an idiot cyclist would be running a red across his path (although experienced drivers/riders will check the junction approaches as a matter of course).
If she hadn't been speeding or texting the cyclist would have been 100% culpable.
There are "ifs buts and maybes", e.g. If she hadn't been speeding or texting the cyclist may still have died.
All we know for certain is that if he hadn't run a red he'd be alive today.
Idiot cyclist dead, idiot driver in prison.
50/50.
mauvais
on reddit or something
Where does it say that in the Highway Code then? "Only proceed if it is safe to do so, but actually on second thoughts, do what you like if the lights are already green, or it's a Tuesday, or you just can't really be arsed stopping cos you're busy right now having a row with the speaking clock"?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
According to witnesses, the cyclist paused at the lights and then took off across them.
He wouldn't have been giving even a fully alert driver much of a chance. They'd have thought that the pause was him complying with the red light.
The suggestion is that he slowed to check the traffic before busting the light and still got hit.
Incredibly poor cycling if that's the case. He thought the road was clear and then crossed the red light.
How many times have U75 cyclists posted here that they only cross red lights "when it's safe to do so"????
Well doing that got this lad killed.
He wouldn't have been giving even a fully alert driver much of a chance. They'd have thought that the pause was him complying with the red light.
The suggestion is that he slowed to check the traffic before busting the light and still got hit.
Incredibly poor cycling if that's the case. He thought the road was clear and then crossed the red light.
How many times have U75 cyclists posted here that they only cross red lights "when it's safe to do so"????
Well doing that got this lad killed.
Spion
I hear ya
LOL
Utterly ludicrousActually here the highway code linky page. The pdf for traffic lights says green is proceed if the way is clear
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/Signsandmarkings/index.htm
Elsewhere on the site under rules for drivers and riders it points out that Traffic Lights etc MUST be obeyed... eg not an optional requirement
It's a very sad case that highlights for me when road users of both cars and cyclists don't follow the rules 'cause the rules are there to stop people having to 2nd guess each other. Or at least to reduce the number of times you have to do so iyswim
Very sad case but faults in both directions I'd say unfortunately
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/Signsandmarkings/index.htm
Elsewhere on the site under rules for drivers and riders it points out that Traffic Lights etc MUST be obeyed... eg not an optional requirement
It's a very sad case that highlights for me when road users of both cars and cyclists don't follow the rules 'cause the rules are there to stop people having to 2nd guess each other. Or at least to reduce the number of times you have to do so iyswim
Very sad case but faults in both directions I'd say unfortunately
It's the texting thing that really gets to me.
I mean, being on the phone is bad enough, but at least that only diverts part of your hearing and a bit of your concentration.
But to read a text, and then try to type out a reply, whilst driving, to me is a lot worse than merely being on the phone because the amount of your attention that it takes to read a message and then to type a reply MUST mean that you can't be even vaguely looking where the f*** you are going, or concentrating on the traffic at all.
Whereas being on the phone is not that much worse than chatting to mates in the car with you. Still not ideal though.
Giles..
I mean, being on the phone is bad enough, but at least that only diverts part of your hearing and a bit of your concentration.
But to read a text, and then try to type out a reply, whilst driving, to me is a lot worse than merely being on the phone because the amount of your attention that it takes to read a message and then to type a reply MUST mean that you can't be even vaguely looking where the f*** you are going, or concentrating on the traffic at all.
Whereas being on the phone is not that much worse than chatting to mates in the car with you. Still not ideal though.
Giles..
cybertect
It's grim up north (London)
Of course, if she'd been going faster still, she'd have crossed the junction before the cyclist got to the point of collision
Blame on both sides. Texting while driving is idiotic, as was crossing against a red light. Speed was a contributory factor in the accident occurring and probably the fatal outcome, but not the cause.
Meltingpot
Living in our pools we soon forget about the sea
Deleted; I wasn't in full possession of the facts
If all posts were deleted on that basis the whole forum would a pretty quiet place.
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