Terrorist Bombing Plot: Have the police found anything yet?

[Bernie Gunther]

Certainly the jurors in the ricin case weren't impressed:

Three jurors in the so-called 'ricin trial', whose acquittal of four Algerian terror suspects in April caused deep embarrassment to the government, police and security service, will condemn the government's new terrorism legislation in their first television interviews tonight.

It is unusual for jurors to speak to the media after a trial, but they have told The Observer they are furious that a number of the defendants have since been re-arrested and imprisoned without trial.

Three jurors were interviewed for the BBC's Panorama programme, which examines new counter-terrorism proposals to be put before Parliament this week.

One juror, speaking anonymously, told the programme: 'Before the trial I had a lot of faith in the authorities to be making the right decisions on my behalf ... having been through this trial I'm very sceptical now as to the real reasons why this new legislation is being pushed through.'

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[Streathamite]

A little too early to start reaching conclusions either way, no?

I'm imagine the police - after their woeful recent cock ups - are going to have to be very, very careful on this one, so I can't see them rushing to produce the evidence just to please the media. And if they have fucked up again, all hell might break lose.

Mind you, if some cunts have got handguns and a rifle knocking around, I'm glad the scumbags are scooped off the streets for whatever reason.

generally, I'd buy that.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Didn't you hear about the new gun laws

O.K. a farmer can have a shotgun with a licence, air-guns have never needed a licence, almost everything else is illegal - no licences available, so therefore can't be legal!

Funny how gun crime has gone up since licenced firearms were ban

Legally held handguns accounted for 0.04% of gun crime, it is hardly surprising that the ban has made no difference.

 

[DexterTCN]

But, hey, don't let the truth get in the way of another opportunity to demonstrate your prejudices.

Did I forget to say 'imminent'?

Can we square the fact that it was 'imminent' 'mass murder on an unimaginable scale' and none of them had booked tickets and some of them had no passports?

What you are going to have to appreciate, whether you like it or not - is that I and many others (although I only speak for myself ) do not believe the police regarding these matters because you have been proven to be...let's say unreliable.

If it's a rape/robbery/murder or any normal crime then fair enough, but you and the government have cried wolf too many times now. Proof is what I require, presented at a trial. I don't need a police officer on a live broadcast declaring guilt. That's the job of a judge and jury.

You don't need a passport to get on an internal UK flight.

I do.

And so does everyone else I know who's travelled internally in the last 10 years. I also have to be there at least an hour in advance.

 

[TonkaToy]

Says a cop who went for a beer with someone whose nephew was looking at the hard disks.


Probably.


And... a major contempt of court...

It was on the BBC website. Of course even the beeb are capable of fucking up, but I don't understand why people are whinging on about arrests, if they don't know the full facts.

 

[detective-boy]

I do.

And so does everyone else I know who's travelled internally in the last 10 years. I also have to be there at least an hour in advance.

So it must be true then. You have declared it so.

But that doesn't, actually, stop it being bollocks. There is no requirement for a passport. There may be a requirement for photo ID. And for most people that may be their passport. But that is not the same as a passport being required for an internal flight.

No matter how often you say so.

 

[detective-boy]

It was on the BBC website. Of course even the beeb are capable of fucking up, but I don't understand why people are whinging on about arrests, if they don't know the full facts.

Because they ]know its all a load of bollocks. There is no terrorist threat at all. It's all the rabid imaginings of the police and the government. (You imagined 7 July, by the way. Or if you didn't, it wasn't actually a terrorist attack at all. MI5 did it.)

I give up. Posters complain about "sheeple". They're fucking behaving like it themselves. Fuck it. I've got better things to do with my time than try and reason.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

I may be incorrect, but my impression is that the main issue is not a doubt that there is a genuine, if frequently exaggerated risk of terrorism as a result of our country's foreign policy, but rather that terrorism arrests have on many previous occasions been exploited and sensationalised in quite appalling ways, especially given the eventual outcome of the court cases.

Each time one of these incidents occurs, it is ruthlessly exploited by the likes of Charles Clarke and now John Reid to introduce draconian legislation and attacks on our ancient liberties that are completely out of proportion to the threat. To focus on those who believe these are false front operations and shit like that is to attack a straw man, when there is widespread concern that the government is exaggerating the significance of such arrests for cynical ends.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

It does get on my nerves the way that "oh, so you think there aren't any terrorists then?" is routinely trotted out as a response to any cynicism about the latest government announcement, in much the same way that the conspiraloons say "so you believe everything Bush says then?"

Clearly there are people who want to set off bombs on public transport or wherever, but as a fairly non-political friend of mine said recently, if there were anywhere near the number that we're always told there are, we'd be fucked. Certainly judging by the success rate of catching anyone anywhere near setting any device off, if there was any sort of organised campaign we'd be seeing tubes blowing up left right and centre. And anyone who would care to deny that the public face of "anti-terrorist operations" is pretty much all spin and fearmongering, well, I'm just going to laugh - bans on liquids on planes in case they turn out to be physically-impossible liquid explosives, trumpeted arrests that never turn out to be anything at all, endless "security sources" feeding the media the panic fodder that they need to fill rolling news, the use of anti-terrorist legislation to harass on a political basis... it just goes on and on. I feel like I'm just repeating the obvious here, probably because I am.

 

[TonkaToy]

It does get on my nerves the way that "oh, so you think there aren't any terrorists then?" is routinely trotted out as a response to any cynicism about the latest government announcement, in much the same way that the conspiraloons say "so you believe everything Bush says then?"

Clearly there are people who want to set off bombs on public transport or wherever, but as a fairly non-political friend of mine said recently, if there were anywhere near the number that we're always told there are, we'd be fucked. Certainly judging by the success rate of catching anyone anywhere near setting any device off, if there was any sort of organised campaign we'd be seeing tubes blowing up left right and centre. And anyone who would care to deny that the public face of "anti-terrorist operations" is pretty much all spin and fearmongering, well, I'm just going to laugh - bans on liquids on planes in case they turn out to be physically-impossible liquid explosives, trumpeted arrests that never turn out to be anything at all, endless "security sources" feeding the media the panic fodder that they need to fill rolling news, the use of anti-terrorist legislation to harass on a political basis... it just goes on and on. I feel like I'm just repeating the obvious here, probably because I am.

Hold on a minute. This thread isnt about the "latest government announcement" and more about "Have the police found anything yet?"

Big difference. If people want to talk about whatever stupid laws the government is coming out with, then fine, but I don't see what that has to do with the current investigation.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/08/18/uk.terror.plot.ap/index.html

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Hold on a minute. This thread isnt about the "latest government announcement" and more about "Have the police found anything yet?"

Big difference. If people want to talk about whatever stupid laws the government is coming out with, then fine, but I don't see what that has to do with the current investigation.

The thread has moved on a little from the title. But if you really want to get back to the title, have the police found anything yet? Doesn't seem like it, leaks have said they've found things but frankly until the evidence appears in court I don't believe it. Similar leaks have turned out to be absolute shite too many times.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

We can't really talk about the current investigation. Meanwhile, the source of the widespread scepticism about these stories is the obviously dishonest use to which they have been put, particularly in justifying the loss of our ancient liberties; combined with the lamentably weak evidence presented at most of the trials resulting from arrests that have been hyped and spun in this way.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

We can't really talk about the current investigation. Meanwhile, the source of the widespread scepticism about these stories is the obviously dishonest use to which they have been put, particularly in justifying the loss of our ancient liberties; combined with the lamentably weak evidence presented at most of the trials resulting from arrests that have been hyped and spun in this way.

Do you think no one is planning these types of attacks?

The events in your subway last July suggest otherwise.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Do you think no one is planning these types of attacks?

Strike two!

 

[kakuma]

canada is a terrorist state

 

[Kid_Eternity]

canada is a terrorist state

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Do you think no one is planning these types of attacks? <snip>

Where did I say that?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Strike two!

Care to explain?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Where did I say that?

"We can't really talk about the current investigation. Meanwhile, the source of the widespread scepticism about these stories is the obviously dishonest use to which they have been put, particularly in justifying the loss of our ancient liberties; combined with the lamentably weak evidence presented at most of the trials resulting from arrests that have been hyped and spun in this way."

Perhaps you aren't one of the sceptics to whom you were referring?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

We have a government which tags us along with wars that cause this shit to happen in the first place. I am really fucking pissed off that UK citizens are trying to blow up other UK citizens and I hold the bastards who got us into this accountable. Iraq was completely unnecessary, not in our interests and in the end, proved to be a complete disaster.

Then the same bunch of bastards hypes and exploits a series of flimsy trials, in order to introduce repressive legislation seemingly aimed at reducing the range of political options of the British people to voting among two identical corporate stooges every few years, with all other options classed as 'terror'.

Is it any wonder many people in this country are seriously fucked off with the politicians responsible for both dropping us in this shit and then lying about it as an excuse for attacking our ancient liberties?

 

[snouty warthog]

Then the same bunch of bastards hypes and exploits a series of flimsy trials, in order to introduce repressive legislation seemingly aimed at reducing the range of political options of the British people to voting among two identical corporate stooges every few years, with all other options classed as 'terror'.

what, even the LibDems?!

no, you are quite correct... I like the Bill Hicks joke, probably endlessly quoted ont'internet;

"this is politics in America;
"I like the puppet on the left,"
"I think the puppet on the right is more to my liking,"
"Hey, wait! There's one guy holding up both puppets!"
"somebody shut that guy up!"

 

[DexterTCN]

So it must be true then. You have declared it so.

Don't think I haven't noticed your ability to ignore the other points I make.

Now if you know anyone who doesn't need to use a passport when flying in the UK, please do tell. Normal people, that is. I don't fly 100s but I've flown lots, and I have never once seen someone not use a passport. In fact the announcement tells me to have it ready when I approach, it does not give any options, I am not aware of any options, my tickets or the paraphernalia that comes with it (emails, letters) do not mention any other options.

Only my experience, of course.

 

[TAE]

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/08/18/uk.terror.plot.ap/index.html

Since Forest Gate, unnamed 'police sources' are not what I would call a trusted source.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

We have a government which tags us along with wars that cause this shit to happen in the first place. I am really fucking pissed off that UK citizens are trying to blow up other UK citizens and I hold the bastards who got us into this accountable. Iraq was completely unnecessary, not in our interests and in the end, proved to be a complete disaster.

Then the same bunch of bastards hypes and exploits a series of flimsy trials, in order to introduce repressive legislation seemingly aimed at reducing the range of political options of the British people to voting among two identical corporate stooges every few years, with all other options classed as 'terror'.

Is it any wonder many people in this country are seriously fucked off with the politicians responsible for both dropping us in this shit and then lying about it as an excuse for attacking our ancient liberties?

You may have a point that politicians have misled people, but some of the blame must rest with those amongst us who choose to voice their discontent by killing their fellow citizens.

 

[blinkyspoogle]

i would like everyone to take a moment's silence for everyone who cannot get pot due to lack of air traffic at the moment on this extremely cold, wet night. i'd have thought plenty would come in on boats, living near liverpool, but im obviously wrong.

my money's on them not finding any equipment for making bombs

i reckon they'll be extrodited to usa custody and end up in guantnamo bay, nice and tucked away out of human rights

not that the UN seem to give a flying fuck anyway

corruption is everywhere, george bush remaining president is evidence of that.

there needs to be a deluge of civil action law suits, or just one extremely well funded one! or something. im not convinced a vote of no confidence is a positive move tbh.

Every day they're going to continue to horrify us with this threat of terrorism. Raising the alert level to CRITICAL?! What a fucking scare tactic. Critical means there's some bitchin missiles on their way and there's no way of shooting them down, or something. Critical is like, Blitz type rules with regards to light etc. none of which we've seen any advice of because it's just not nessecerry. It's all just another ploy to scare us shitless, and continue to sleepwalk into whatever the fuck these cunts plan at their private little illuminati holiday camps.

 

[snouty warthog]

you're very confident for a new poster...?!

but yeah, I do agree with you.

In all of this, the one thing of which I am certain is that the timing is deeply political. This is more propaganda than plot. Of the over one thousand British Muslims arrested under anti-terrorist legislation, only twelve per cent are ever charged with anything. That is simply harrassment of Muslims on an appalling scale. Of those charged, 80% are acquitted. Most of the very few - just over two per cent of arrests - who are convicted, are not convicted of anything to do terrorism, but of some minor offence the Police happened upon while trawling through the wreck of the lives they had shattered.

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by the way, welcome to the boards...

 

[blinkyspoogle]

thanks i'm looking to become more pro-active... ive been involved in a few protests, anti-war, local causes etc. but i am fucking fed up and about ready to start forming some kind of militant revolution

maybe something edukators style but less directed at individuals and more at power

i don't know, but something has to be done, and it has to be something new, or something very old because this past century has just seen no end of corruption, poverty, and greed. i know it sounds cliché but i genuinely believe this to be approaching critical mass situation in international and homeland affairs and something has to be done

 

[Georgie Porgie]

thanks i'm looking to become more pro-active... ive been involved in a few protests, anti-war, local causes etc. but i am fucking fed up and about ready to start forming some kind of militant revolution

Aww. How sweet.

And will you be home in time for tea?

 

[lostexpectation]

did you hear the so called canada terror bomb plot was all instigated by an police agent provocatour