Terrorist Bombing Plot: Have the police found anything yet?

[laptop]

I think, as I already suggested, he's making it up as he goes along.

Could be anything from a lizard plot (supporting hint: reference to divisions within "the state") to a straight-up "Dick Cheney knows best" - I doubt whether he knows yet, but it's good to steer him away from them.

The assumption it's a "he" seems very reasonable. Unless it's Ann Coulter.

 

[Georgie Porgie]

I guess you boys hadn't noticed it was friday night....

No surprise there.

Anyway.. it's been fun coming back to see you all despereately trying to justify yourselves to each other.

You're all rather good at it.

Either way, depite you all trying to make me out to be a 'conspiraloon', the point still stands.

I'm calling you whingers... every thread concerning the war get's wanked all over by the incessant moaning.

You sound like old ladies in the post office always bleating on about how 'it used to be better' and 'don't know what they're doing'.

Georgie: But don't you see that you're doing to the governemnt exactly what you're accusing them of doing? Namely exaggerating a fear for your own ends... in this case maintaining your status as know-it-alls.

Selected others: Erm. You mean I might be painting them as an enemy iin the same way I accuse them of doing to the terrorists? Damn.

Georgie: Yes.

Selected others: What was the question again?

The glove's on the table...

 

[detective-boy]

I raise it to make a point about risk perception as much as anything: this depends on dispersion in time (downgrading bird flu) and in space (downgrading RTAs) and on "narrative value" (upgrading terror) and on imaginability (amount of time I spend drinking with epidemiologists -vs- you with detectives) and and and...

I think that's very valid - the Bird Fllu threat is primarily a possible future threat, reliant on something else happening whereas the terrorism and police chases threats (whilst varying in other ways) are both primarily "here and now", existing threats which do not require anything else to happen to make them real.

 

[detective-boy]

* Cough *

Yeah ... but you must admit your view is not exactly the norm on here!

 

[Bernie Gunther]

You still aren't offering any credible reason Georgie, why we should adopt, against all the available evidence, a belief that the Blair/Bush crowd are both competent and acting in our interests.

You seem to claim that there is a good reason, but apparently it's a secret.

I am so far unconvinced by your claims.

 

[Georgie Porgie]

Yeah ... but you must admit your view is not exactly the norm on here!

It's not even the norm in his own head.

I reckon he's a scientist... linear thinking is a breeze, but lateral thinking makes his head hurt.

 

[detective-boy]

They can't admit it though and they can't therefore act to remove it as a factor in spawning new clusters of self-starting wannabe al-Qaeda cells.

That makes them a real liability in addressing a key aspect of the problem.

The government, yes. The police, no (or, at least, not necessarily so, or not anywhere near as much so). Whilst the Commissioner may not feel able to get on TV and add "...and it's all my fucking namesakes fault!" and the end of his latest "We're all doomed!!!" speech, I can assure you that the operational officers actually running the investigations know perfectly well that that is a big part of the motivation behind the attacks and plans and, when it is of evidential value, that WILL be used in evidence during prosecutions.

 

[Georgie Porgie]

* Cough *

Yeah ... but you must admit your view is not exactly the norm on here!

It's not even the norm in his own head.

I reckon he's a scientist... linear thinking is a breeze, but lateral thinking makes his head hurt.

 

[detective-boy]

because i think you are

You can think what you fucking like. But it doesn't make it so.

You are aware that all UK custody facilities now have independent lay visitor panels, who can visit unannounced at any time, aren't you?

You are aware that the vast majority have CCTV coverage, which can be viewed on request by any detainee's solicitor, the Courts dealing with their case or by the lay visitors, aren't you?

I will guarantee that all Muslim prisoners (or any other category of prisoner for that matter) are NOT being "kicked in the head".

 

[Georgie Porgie]

You still aren't offering any credible reason Georgie, why we should adopt, against all the available evidence, a belief that the Blair/Bush crowd are both competent and acting in our interests.

You seem to claim that there is a good reason, but apparently it's a secret.

I am so far unconvinced by your claims.

Not as unconvinced as I am of yours.

I've never advocated that you should have a belief that they are competent... just that you shouldn't dismiss it out of hand.

You automatically assume it.. using a distorted hindsight as your guide.

It's quite interesting that you have become so used to arguing in certain patterns that you are automatically looking for a 'big secret' in every post.

The reason I've used a socratic method throughout this thread is because I'm not trying to promote what I think. I know that's why you've found it so confusing. But it has thrown up some interesting contradictions in your viewpoint.

 

[phildwyer]

I reckon he's a scientist...

Who, Laptop? You must be joking, he's a poet innit.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

I am not dismissing it out of hand, I am judging them incompetent on the basis of compelling evidence.

You're illustrating here the reason why I was wondering earlier if you might be some sort of conspiracy theorist.

I'm making a judgement based on the available evidence and you are in effect getting upset because I'm not 'open minded' enough to seriously consider possibilities that are not particularly well supported by evidence. If you have some more convincing evidence, please produce it.

 

[Georgie Porgie]

Who, Laptop? You must be joking, he's a poet innit.

amount of time I spend drinking with epidemiologists

What rhymes with epidemiologist?

 

[Georgie Porgie]

I am not dismissing it out of hand, I am judging them incompetent on the basis of compelling evidence.

And I'm telling you that your evidence is insufficient to make such a judgement.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

And I'm telling you that your evidence is insufficient to make such a judgement.

What's missing?

 

[Georgie Porgie]

What's missing?

Come off it, mate. We've been at this for 10 pages.

I think you know.

 

[Georgie Porgie]

Anyway... footie's on.

Feel free to talk about me behind my back.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Come off it, mate. We've been at this for 10 pages.

I think you know.

I won't know until you tell me.

Or is it a secret?