terror bill passed by a single vote

[Pickman's model]

This is the same Graham Taylor remember who compared Galloway to Oswald Mosley. Nice guy.

oswald mosley was in the labour party and went on to found another political party.

george galloway was in the labour party and went on to found another political party.

oswald mosley's associated with cable street, which is in bethnal green and bow.

george galloway is associated with bethnal green and bow.

oswald mosley spent many years abroad.

george galloway spends a lot of time abroad.

oswald mosley's 'new party' claimed to be more radical than the labour party.

george galloway's new party claims to be more radical than the labour party.

i could continue...

 

[DexterTCN]

Except you'd just be talking shite again. Comparing Gallo to Mosley?

Do you think anyone except your anti-Gallo mates even give you 2 seconds of thought anymore? Just do it in email where you don't show yourself up.

 

[Pickman's model]

Except you'd just be talking shite again. Comparing Gallo to Mosley?

& why not?

Do you think anyone except your anti-Gallo mates even give you 2 seconds of thought anymore?

you obviously do.

 

[Groucho]

i could continue...

You forgot the moustache.


The comparison by New Labour of RESPECT supporters to Moseley's British Union of Fascists and National Socialists (to give the final full name) must rank as one of the most disgusting election smeers in history.

 

[Pickman's model]

You forgot the moustache.


The comparison by New Labour of RESPECT supporters to Moseley's British Union of Fascists and National Socialists (to give the final full name) must rank as one of the most disgusting election smeers in history.

so they haven't compared ruc voters to new party voters?

cheers for that bit about the 'tache!

oswald mosley had a moustache, as has one george galloway mp.

oswald mosley hobnobbed with a dictator. george galloway famously hobnobbed with a dictator.

 

[Pickman's model]

dextertcn -

not so cocky now, eh? eh? eh?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Oswald Mosely was a man.

FridgeMagnet is a man.

Oswald Mosely's first language was English.

FridgeMagnet's first language is English.

Oswald Mosely was known to wear shirts, some of them black.

FridgeMagnet is known to wear shirts, one of them black (though it's gone a bit grey in the wash).

Oswald Mosely had a moustache.

FridgeMagnet had a moustache, with a goatee as well.

 

[oisleep]

haha, you have a moustache

 

[Pickman's model]

Oswald Mosely was a man.

FridgeMagnet is a man.

Oswald Mosely's first language was English.

FridgeMagnet's first language is English.

Oswald Mosely was known to wear shirts, some of them black.

FridgeMagnet is known to wear shirts, one of them black (though it's gone a bit grey in the wash).

Oswald Mosely had a moustache.

FridgeMagnet had a moustache, with a goatee as well.

and...

and - do you hobnob with dictators?

 

[butchersapron]

Leave the editor out of this please.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

The Sunday Times recently accused me of having given a HobNob to Pinochet, and I cannot find any way of disproving that allegation.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

haha, you have a moustache

That's an appalling calumny. I shaved it off three years ago because it looked shit. (Still on my passport though.)

 

[Streathamite]

You forgot the moustache.


The comparison by New Labour of RESPECT supporters to Moseley's British Union of Fascists and National Socialists (to give the final full name) must rank as one of the most disgusting election smeers in history.

well, hold on, surely no worse than the way in which certain swappie posters have flung the label of 'wacist' around with gleeful abandonment, towards anyone who doesn't agree with them?

 

[Streathamite]

As for the idea that Galloway is doing this tour for his own personal gain, he says that at least some of the money is going to Respect.

oh well, if GG says that, then that's all right, isn't it?
we all know how transparent GG is with his accounts...

 

[Groucho]

well, hold on, surely no worse than the way in which certain swappie posters have flung the label of 'wacist' around with gleeful abandonment, towards anyone who doesn't agree with them?

Have I? When was that then? Or am I not included in 'certain swappie posters'?

 

[oisleep]

speaking of which, respect's accounts still do not appear to have been filled with the electoral commission for the period ending 31.12.04

this despit them having a generous 6 months to do so in the first place, when failing that they secured an extension till beginning of august, yet here we are in november and still no sign of them, what's the hold up?

 

[Groucho]

The Sunday Times recently accused me of having given a HobNob to Pinochet, and I cannot find any way of disproving that allegation.

Scum journos report any old bollocks to smear lefties. It was a rich tea biscuit wasn't it??

 

[oisleep]

Have I? When was that then? Or am I not included in 'certain swappie posters'?

you do seem a bit less certain than the rest of them groucho, which can only be a good thing

 

[Groucho]

you do seem a bit less certain than the rest of them groucho, which can only be a good thing

Eh?! I'm pretty certain. At least I think I am. What was the question??

 

[Streathamite]

Have I? When was that then? Or am I not included in 'certain swappie posters'?

no, you're not, and I would be surprised if I ever had to point the finger at you. However, RW, gumbert and some others have certainly done this in the past..

 

[Wilf]

I've mentioned this before but it's worth bringing up again: my brother lives in Partick and was one of Galloway's old constituents. He did nothing, absolutely nothing for Kelvin. Except once every general election campaign he would go down the Byres Road (the main university district) with a loudhailer going, "Vote Galloway! For peace and socialism!" And all the professors would stroke their beards and say, "hmm, I'm voting for him." Then Galloway would fuck off back to the middle east. He would also make sure people with catholic surnames knew "whit fit he kicked wi'," a delightful sectarian strategy he's now bringing to the people of bethnal green and bow.

I knew a guy in the Labour party who said in his surgeries, when he turned up to them, Galloway used to pick fights with his constituents. You'd have some poor sod who'd come along because the corporation hadn't unblocked his drains and Galloway would react as though it was a personal attack on him. His favourite line was "I don't want you to vote for me!" Then he'd offer to pay their deposit so they could stand against him.

This all reminds me of the fact that the slimeball had to resign as GS of War on Want for fiddling his expenses so he could live it up in some of the poorest countries in the world. For all their bluster I suspect even the trotbots are starting to admit their doubts about him to themselves, even if "revolutionary discipline" means they wouldn't dream of doing so to any of us.

Makes you wonder if the swp chose the wrong political celebrity to hitch respect to. Should have gone for someone with clean hands - Jeffrey Archer, perhaps?

 

[Groucho]

George Galloway and Respect statement on the anti-terror bill

"In response to comments in the press about last week's vote on New Labour's anti-terror legislation George Galloway and Respect have issued the
following statement:

Respect remains wholly opposed to the government's legislation and while we
regret missing the vote last week George Galloway will vote on subsequent
important amendments to the bill and will oppose the bill on its final
reading. He has cleared his diary commitments to ensure that he is available
to vote against the bill at its final reading.

We would also like to make clear the difficulty facing a single MP on votes of this kind. The amendment, which would have taken an additional two votes to pass and so would have fallen whether or not George Galloway had voted
for it, was only a marginal improvement on the clause in New Labour's bill. It would still have endangered the freedom of speech of any person who spoke up for people the government defines as 'terrorists'.

A similar problem arises with the so-called Winnick amendment that is due before the House this week. It proposes a doubling of the time suspects can
be held without charge to 28 days. George Galloway intends to vote for this
amendment not because we agree with it but simply because it gives the police fewer powers than the government proposal of 90 day detention without charge.

For the same reason Respect's policy is to oppose the final bill even if these amendments are passed.

Finally, Respect would like to underline its commitment to the extra-Parliamentary opposition to the anti-terror legislation which is of far greater importance than anything that is being done in the House of Commons. In this crucial arena George Galloway's activities in opposition to the anti-terror legislation remain second to none."

 

[catch]

It proposes a doubling of the time suspects can
be held without charge to 28 days. George Galloway intends to vote for this
amendment not because we agree with it but simply because it gives the police fewer powers than the government proposal of 90 day detention without charge.

shurely "halving".

 

[Groucho]

shurely "halving".

No, the amdt. proposes doubling the time a person can be kept imprisoned without charge from the current two weeks, as opposed to the 90 days proposed by the Govt. A shitty prospect, but GG will vote for to help defeat the Govt. It's a tough call. However, the view is that a mistake was made in missing the earlier vote on the issue of intent.

 

[catch]

No, the amdt. proposes doubling the time a person can be kept imprisoned without charge from the current two weeks, as opposed to the 90 days proposed by the Govt. A shitty prospect, but GG will vote for to help defeat the Govt. It's a tough call. However, the view is that a mistake was made in missing the earlier vote on the issue of intent.

ah I see, should have said thirding anyway.

 

[Fedayn]

No, the amdt. proposes doubling the time a person can be kept imprisoned without charge from the current two weeks, as opposed to the 90 days proposed by the Govt. A shitty prospect, but GG will vote for to help defeat the Govt. It's a tough call. However, the view is that a mistake was made in missing the earlier vote on the issue of intent.

That Galloway will vote for this 'amendment' to increase the lenght of time a suspect can be held shows his bravado for exactly what it is false. to vote for this amendment is a scandal for a democratic parliament, for a supposed radical socialist it's a fucking disgrace.

 

[Groucho]

That Galloway will vote for this 'amendment' to increase the lenght of time a suspect can be held shows his bravado for exactly what it is false. to vote for this amendment is a scandal for a democratic parliament, for a supposed radical socialist it's a fucking disgrace.

Sigh...

Have you thought this through?

It's a tactical decision. The amdt. makes the bill a little less shite. Galloway will then vote against the whole Bill whether amended or not.

 

[Fedayn]

Sigh...

Have you thought this through?

It's a tactical decision. The amdt. makes the bill a little less shite. Galloway will then vote against the whole Bill whether amended or not.

Of course i've thought this through you patronising twit. However you look at it Galloway is voting to increase state repression.

Would it be too 'wadical' for him to vote against all and any increase in repressive measures onto the statute books??

 

[rebel warrior]

Of course i've thought this through you patronising twit. However you look at it Galloway is voting to increase state repression.

Would it be too 'wadical' for him to vote against all and any increase in repressive measures onto the statute books??

I have a feeling this sort of response would have been more prevalent earlier in the thread had Galloway voted for the ammendment. Instead of 'where was George?' we would have had page after page of 'Galloway supports state repression'.

He's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't on stuff like this.

Which is why he is right to continue to prioritise extra-parliamentary activity against the Terror bill...

 

[Groucho]

Of course i've thought this through you patronising twit. However you look at it Galloway is voting to increase state repression.

Would it be too 'wadical' for him to vote against all and any increase in repressive measures onto the statute books??

OK. I see you do not understand it. Galloway is voting against the whole Bill.
Currently the detention period is 14 days.

The amendment seeks to change the Bill. The Bill currently says that the length of time a person can be detained without charge will be 90 days. The amdt. changes that to 28 days.

Galloway will vote for the amdt. to help overturn the Govt and to make the Bill marginaly less bad. He will then vote against the whole Bill whether amended or not.

OK?