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Ten years since The Matrix!

Kid_Eternity said:
I don't think you were paying attention. It's one of the most radical and subversive mainstream films ever. How many Hollywood films do you know have a clear and direct argument for terrorism as a critical plot element? :D
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Fight Club
 
I read it on CHUD or AICN, cant remember which. Bryan Singer has been kicked off and after the mahussive DARK KNIGHT success Warners are desperate to get a new SUPERMAN out.
 
Had a quick look and their names don't appear to be attached to the new film. The bad news is the guy behind Wanted is. After watching that piece of shit I reckon the Wacko brothers could really do a worse job...
 
I remember going to see The Matrix when it came out........went on my own and ended up sitting to a strange lad who muttered to himself all the way through it.....................still loved it though !
 
Notwithstanding allegations of plagiarism, and the pure dross that was part 3, Matrix was a seminal movie. It changed the way action movies were made.
 
It was. I just think they should never have made 2/3 as they ruined it. The first worked very well as a 'conceptual', standalone film, it said everything it needed to, and would have been remembered as a pretty legendary cult movie had the sequels not been made.
 
Kid_Eternity said:
I don't think you were paying attention. It's one of the most radical and subversive mainstream films ever. How many Hollywood films do you know have a clear and direct argument for terrorism as a critical plot element? :D
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you are joking right...

standard block buster 101:

anti hero appears isn't like the others is an outsider is ostracised alienated and seems to be doing things which destorys the status quo and challenges the system the system then bucks back to slap down the anti hero and show them to be errant and disorganised. once the anti hero conforms to the predesignated role they are destined to fill they become accepted and evevated in the society to be hearlded as a hero. roll credits...

now tell me again which holloywood films don't follow this set story line (not to mention that typcially when distilled to the boy meets girl blocking of actions or charchter development it could resonable be said that there are a only a few different cahrchter story archs retold in all hollywood films...)

more over there's nothing with in the matrix which tells you to go out and be an anti hero it neither takes the side of or against the anti hero... nor does it as you suggest promote terrorism....

it's genius if this can be said to be so is that it allows sufficent space for you and others to see all this type of ideas in it whislt actually being incredably conformist in it's narrative...

strip away the special effects and the mythology from the film the pretend faux subtext which is so shallow you couldn't drown in it and it's simply a hong kong action film set in the future with several main fights leading to the big boss end level charchter in a fairly pedestrian mumbo jumbo hokum manner in terms of story line...

(the second and thrid films cement this in place by providing fight scenes which are so pedestrain as to make you reach for the fast forward on the remote... i'm thinking neo vs smiths fight here... tea-de-oius...

the nonsense which is spouted by seemingly sensible people about these gash films is unbeleiveable...
 
Fuck Binks and Fuck the Ewoks.

I really like the Matrix universe generally; I love the Smith/Neo fight in Reloaded because it's exactly as it's supposed to be - a computer game, that just keeps piling on more and more pressure on Neo. The car chase in Reloaded is the mutts too.

They could have been better but I don't care - I like them. I also like Gene Rodenberry's Andromeda, so I'm happy liking shite sci-fi...plus IIRC you've got some howlingly bad taste as well G :D:p
 
Gym Beam said:
Notwithstanding allegations of plagiarism, and the pure dross that was part 3, Matrix was a seminal movie. It changed the way action movies were made.
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This is what I was going to say. Nothing was ever the same after the Matrix. If you can judge a film's influence by the number of parodies alone, even, then it was clearly immense!
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
you are joking right...

standard block buster 101:

anti hero appears isn't like the others is an outsider is ostracised alienated and seems to be doing things which destorys the status quo and challenges the system the system then bucks back to slap down the anti hero and show them to be errant and disorganised. once the anti hero conforms to the predesignated role they are destined to fill they become accepted and evevated in the society to be hearlded as a hero. roll credits...

now tell me again which holloywood films don't follow this set story line (not to mention that typcially when distilled to the boy meets girl blocking of actions or charchter development it could resonable be said that there are a only a few different cahrchter story archs retold in all hollywood films...)

more over there's nothing with in the matrix which tells you to go out and be an anti hero it neither takes the side of or against the anti hero... nor does it as you suggest promote terrorism....

it's genius if this can be said to be so is that it allows sufficent space for you and others to see all this type of ideas in it whislt actually being incredably conformist in it's narrative...

strip away the special effects and the mythology from the film the pretend faux subtext which is so shallow you couldn't drown in it and it's simply a hong kong action film set in the future with several main fights leading to the big boss end level charchter in a fairly pedestrian mumbo jumbo hokum manner in terms of story line...

(the second and thrid films cement this in place by providing fight scenes which are so pedestrain as to make you reach for the fast forward on the remote... i'm thinking neo vs smiths fight here... tea-de-oius...

the nonsense which is spouted by seemingly sensible people about these gash films is unbeleiveable...
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yeah i agree. like it's an ok action film, i guess, but nothing more than that! although i did fall asleep in the second half when it got super cheesy, so it's not even that good an action film. it is not on the slightest bit subversive, all it does is make stoners go "woah it;s well deep".
 
kyser_soze said:
Fuck Binks and Fuck the Ewoks.

I really like the Matrix universe generally; I love the Smith/Neo fight in Reloaded because it's exactly as it's supposed to be - a computer game, that just keeps piling on more and more pressure on Neo. The car chase in Reloaded is the mutts too.

They could have been better but I don't care - I like them.
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Damn right!

I watched Reloaded again last week, coincidentally enough. It's awesome escapism. There is nothing in cinema quite like that Smith/Neo fight. The film might not be as good as the first one and it might have missed some opportunities but fuck it -- it's still good.

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The third one really, really fucked it up. But I still like that one too, because I'm a sucker for it really.
 
In another ten years time a shit BBC3 sketch show starring 2019's equivalent of Corden and Horden will be doing a Matrix parody.
 
In the game Path of Neo, just before the final level, the directors appear and explain how, in the movies, Neo wins by acheving the Buddhist concept of overcoming the self (or some similar bollocks), but that wouldn't work for a computer game, so here's what would have happened if all the Agent Smiths formed into a giant robot...
 
Will there be any other threads entitled '10 years since A N Other' shite, over-rated sci-film came out?
 
The Matrix made my skin crawl. All the drug-addled wannabe conspiraloons in the arse-end of techno Brighton were so thrilled someone saw the world the way they did.
 
How is one a 'wannabee' conspiraloon?

'Yeah, I really want to submerge my critical faculties but haven't found anything suitably stupid'
 
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