tell me about the SP

[tbaldwin]

That's the point, joining them doesnt work because they suck you in and burn you out ...

I think you have to try and understand why.
Left sects like the SWP,SP etc are never going to be as succesful as they want and pretend. There top down approach Socialism from above is never going to win mass popularity.
The lack of success is down to their poor politics but they cant acknoledge that so they try to get their members to work harder and harder.....like hamsters on a wheel.

 

[DownwardDog]

The lack of success is down to their poor politics but they cant acknoledge that so they try to get their members to work harder and harder.....like hamsters on a wheel.

It's basically the same business model as Christian televangelists. The SWP, SP, etc. are selling a sense of belonging and common purpose in exchange for promisicuous access to one's wallet.

 

[frogwoman]

It's basically the same business model as Christian televangelists. The SWP, SP, etc. are selling a sense of belonging and common purpose in exchange for promisicuous access to one's wallet.

Their memberships fees didn't seem that much tbf.

 

[frogwoman]

2) SWP members can sometimes give the impression of wanting to rush around madly without being reflective-but I'd rather have that problem than its opposite (passivity).

3) If you genuinely think the SP are preferable then join 'em and fair play to you, but look at all options first. You can still do solidarity stuff with people while ur thinking about it. But at all times keep talking to and listening to everyone - I try to.

 

[nightbreed]

There top down approach Socialism from above is never going to win mass popularity.
.

And there is me thinking that top down approach to socialism comes from below....

 

[DotCommunist]

Their memberships fees didn't seem that much tbf.

I was simply told subs would be whatever I could afford.I did get sold a paper though, so that's one stereotype confirmed

 

[tbaldwin]

Their memberships fees didn't seem that much tbf.

Really? How much?
People i knew in both the SP Militant and the SWP paid a lot of money to the sects.

 

[lobster]

Newspapers by them and other leftists is about spreading the message really as much as its about trying to recruit. I have bought all kinds of newspapers throughout the left over the years without having any intentions of joining them...

 

[frogwoman]

£30/12 months. Ive got the form with me but i cant be arsed to look at the other options ... Its better than my fucking Contract with O2 that's for sure ...

 

[tbaldwin]

And there is me thinking that top down approach to socialism comes from below....

Nope...... if they believed in Socialism from below they would totally reject the idea that it could be imposed from above. They would reject the idea that people like them were the most advanced members of the working class and needed to lead the less advanced members towards revolution etc etc etc...

 

[nightbreed]

Nope...... if they believed in Socialism from below they would totally reject the idea that it could be imposed from above. They would reject the idea that people like them were the most advanced members of the working class and needed to lead the less advanced members towards revolution etc etc etc...

Balders, look at the way you have written the quote I used. Its stating the bleeding obvious. Its like saying 'look at the round circle'....

 

[frogwoman]

Nope...... if they believed in Socialism from below they would totally reject the idea that it could be imposed from above. They would reject the idea that people like them were the most advanced members of the working class and needed to lead the less advanced members towards revolution etc etc etc...

they said they thought that socialism needed to be from below when i spoke to them about this tho ... they might be talking bollocks, but a lot of the criticisms you've made of them don't seem to be accurate

 

[nino_savatte]

£30/12 months. Ive got the form with me but i cant be arsed to look at the other options ... Its better than my fucking Contract with O2 that's for sure ...

I like it!

 

[JHE]

Hmmmmmm, says U75's number 1 Islamophobe. I suspect you'd call yourself an anarchist. If all anarchists were like you, then I wouldn't want to know.

Poor mad Ninotxi and his off-topic gibberings!

I am not an anarchist and can't imagine why the bonkers boina-wearing Ninotxi would suspect me of calling myself one.

 

[nino_savatte]

Poor mad Ninotxi and his off-topic gibberings!

I am not an anarchist and can't imagine why the bonkers boina-wearing Ninotxi would suspect me of calling myself one.

More proof (as if proof were needed) of your deteriorating mental health.

If I were you, I'd have killed myself long ago.

I am not an anarchist and can't imagine why the bonkers boina-wearing Ninotxi would suspect me of calling myself one.

[/QUOTE]

That's why I used the word "suspect". Given your insane hatred of anything that doesn't look or sound British, I wouldn't be surprised if you were a card-carrying member of the BNP.

 

[Geri]

£30/12 months. Ive got the form with me but i cant be arsed to look at the other options ... Its better than my fucking Contract with O2 that's for sure ...

That's what I was paying 20 years ago! It was a lot of money for me then.

 

[Fedayn]

That's what I was paying 20 years ago! It was a lot of money for me then.

I was paying £28pcm back in 1989.

 

[Geri]

Oh yeah, I got confused. I paid £30 per month, not per 12 months!

Some people I know paid over £100 a month.

 

[butchersapron]

That's why I used the word "suspect". Given your insane hatred of anything that doesn't look or sound British, I wouldn't be surprised if you were a card-carrying member of the BNP.

That's some mental swings there nino - maybe he's an anarchist in the BNP? Are you feeling OK?

 

[_angel_]

More proof (as if proof were needed) of your deteriorating mental health.

If I were you, I'd have killed myself long ago.

That's why I used the word "suspect". Given your insane hatred of anything that doesn't look or sound British, I wouldn't be surprised if you were a card-carrying member of the BNP.

You're fucking mental.

 

[nino_savatte]

You're fucking mental.

You're not much better. In fact, this is all that you do: pop up and make snide comments on behalf of your mates. What a sad and unfulfilled life you must lead.

Oh and you can tell your juvenile chum that I still have him on ignore.

 

[_angel_]

You're not much better. In fact, this is all that you do: pop up and make snide comments on behalf of your mates. What a sad and unfulfilled life you must lead.

I'm not telling people online I don't know to kill themselves, however. How do you think that makes you sound? Rational and reasonable or a howling demented madman??

Oh and you can tell your juvenile chum that I still have him on ignore.

Is there anyone you DON'T have on ignore??

 

[nino_savatte]

I'm not telling people online I don't know to kill themselves, however. How do you think that makes you sound? Rational and reasonable or a howling demented madman??

Like I said, you must have a pretty sad and unfulfilled life to spend your time on here chucking out nonsense like this. So take your 'advice' and shove it up your arse. As for telling someone to "kill themselves", I think you should read my post again - properly - instead of reading what you want to read. Of course, you and I both know that you won't; you're far too ignorant for that.

Oh and if you think that you make useful and interesting contributions, you're seriously deluded. In fact, the 'contribution' you made to this thread is on a par with JHE's usual rubbish about 'trots' and Muslims.

 

[Nigel]

they said they thought that socialism needed to be from below when i spoke to them about this tho ... they might be talking bollocks, but a lot of the criticisms you've made of them don't seem to be accurate

What's your attitude to N2EU Yes to Democracy?

 

[tbaldwin]

I'm not telling people online I don't know to kill themselves, however. How do you think that makes you sound? Rational and reasonable or a howling demented madman??




Is there anyone you DON'T have on ignore??

Sad but true is this another thread destined to be nino-ed.

 

[nino_savatte]

Sad but true is this another thread destined to be nino-ed.

Whereas you never ruin a thread with your...erm, 'contributions'?

You and angel should get a room: neither of you have anything useful to offer.

 

[Nigel]

Whereas you never ruin a thread with your...erm, 'contributions'?

You and angel should get a room: neither of you have anything useful to offer.

Nino
Have you got any opinions on the matters raised?
What is your attitude towards the SP?

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino
Have you got any opinions on the matters raised?
What is your attitude towards the SP?

I don't have a problem with the SP any more than I had any problems with the Millies.

My only problem with some folk on this thread is their blatant sectarianism, pettiness and bigotry; as well as the usual wind ups and snide comments coming from the usual suspects.