London_Calling
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OhOrang Utan said:It still does
Did they change it again
Teenage boy shot dead on Marcus Garvey Way, Aug 2007
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Did they change it again
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
You're doing that again. Guess what the top result is if you Google 'CPCG'?Orang Utan said:
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
Ta - what do you mean 'again'?London_Calling said:
I thought it was best to ask 'CPCG' him/herself
gaijingirl
Well-Known Member
This is utterly utterly depressing. I wonder if there will be any organised public display of solidarity/consolation for the man's family etc. I hope so.
(I haven't put that very well but I hope that these shootings don't just become so common-place that they become unremarkable - it does seem already to be increasingly seen as "nothing new".)
My heart goes out to the family of this young man.
ETA - isn't Brixton Splash tomorrow - it seems a little incongruous to celebrate "the vibrancy, energy and creativity of Brixton's people" just yards away from this man's murder.
I suppose it would be even more pointless not to though?
(I haven't put that very well but I hope that these shootings don't just become so common-place that they become unremarkable - it does seem already to be increasingly seen as "nothing new".)
My heart goes out to the family of this young man.
ETA - isn't Brixton Splash tomorrow - it seems a little incongruous to celebrate "the vibrancy, energy and creativity of Brixton's people" just yards away from this man's murder.
I suppose it would be even more pointless not to though?jæd said:Is there anyway to prosecute the people selling these guns...? Where do they come from...? Perhaps higher penalties for selling them.....
The availability of weapons and ammunition is a major issue. What might have been a fist fight 20 years ago, can now end in a fatal shooting.
The previous borough commander has stated publicly that no agancy has stopping the flow of arms as apublished priority or target. Not the police, customs and excise or SOCA.
apols if this is messy - it's from a phone
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Suppliers of illegal firearms are already subject to very rigourous penalties. The problem is catching them.jæd said:
As for where they come from, they come from everywhere, and with the customs manning levels at entry ports, small to medium-scale smuggling presents an opportunity for "easy money" to some criminals.
Add to that the conversion of blank-firers, and the reactivation of a small percentage of the million+ legally-held de-activated firearms in the UK (operations easily carried out by anyone equipped with a metalworking lathe), and there's a fair-sized arsenal of available firearms floating around without even factoring in the "guns for rent" beloved of the redtops.
editor
hiraethified
This isn't really related, but I thought I'd say it anyway.
I was waiting for the train at Loughborough Junction last night and there was a 12yr old black kid playing rap music on his mobile next to me. The lyrics were almost entirely about the "nigga" singer "shooting niggas" for not respecting him, with the backing track peppered with gunshot sounds.
Now I'm not saying that music turns kids into killers because that would be a ridiculous claim, but it really can't help to have young kids' role models endlessly banging on and on about killing each other for trivial reasons, can it?
I was waiting for the train at Loughborough Junction last night and there was a 12yr old black kid playing rap music on his mobile next to me. The lyrics were almost entirely about the "nigga" singer "shooting niggas" for not respecting him, with the backing track peppered with gunshot sounds.
Now I'm not saying that music turns kids into killers because that would be a ridiculous claim, but it really can't help to have young kids' role models endlessly banging on and on about killing each other for trivial reasons, can it?
editor
hiraethified
It's a shame that Splash has been so chaotically organised because it could have provided a focus for some sort of silent protest or community statement.gaijingirl said:ETA - isn't Brixton Splash tomorrow - it seems a little incongrous to celebrate "the vibrancy, energy and creativity of Brixton's people" just yards away from this man's murder.
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
this makes me sad. i love brixton, i've never seen anything more than the sort of scuffle you get outside pubs everywhere i've ever lived, i've never heard a gunshot. i've seen members of the community step in to arguments between strangers to calm things down. it seems weird to me that a place that i've fallen in love with living because it has a community spirit unlike anywhere i've ever lived before can also have this dark side to it.
lang rabbie
Je ne regrette les gazebos
Not much I can add to the obvious. - but I still feel a need to write something because of a gut feeling that the moment we let shootings of local young people become such a commonplace that we aren't left outraged, an important part of any sense of neighbourhood/community is lost.
Sitting eating brunch outside Negril this gorgeous sunny morning, a little bit of me sank when I realised that none of my fellow Brixton Hill brunchers even mentioned it.
- but I still feel a need to write something because of a gut feeling that the moment we let shootings of local young people become such a commonplace that we aren't left outraged, an important part of any sense of neighbourhood/community is lost. Sitting eating brunch outside Negril this gorgeous sunny morning, a little bit of me sank when I realised that none of my fellow Brixton Hill brunchers even mentioned it.
northernhord
Active Member
editor said:
Quite right to mention this, same with the lads in Moss Side here, where else are they picking up all this 'respect me' shit from, from reading books, I fuckin doubt it.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
editor said:
TBH I think its gone beyond the stage where community protest would do much good - those who cause these problems have such a twisted set of morals that I dont think they would understand what the community was protesting about, much less change the behaviour that is behind all this entirely pointless evil.
As for Splash, at least it should have better weather than last year.
It isn't done by senior officers randomly hanging round at the scene in case some journo turns up.hendo said:
All media know to contact Press Bureau at NSY for the latest release and for information regarding the next planned Press Briefing, which may be held at the scene, at a local Station, at NSY or at some other location depending on circumstances. Briefings are rarely less than 8 hours apart, more usually 24 or more, especially after the first couple of days.
Community briefings vary dependant on both area and circumstances. Many divisions such as Lambeth have a panel of community contacts (and sometimes even a formal local Advisory Group) who they can call at any time (home and mobile numbers, etc.) to provide information. They may then hold local meetings arranged for the purpose, or address local groups already meeting for other purposes (congregations, social clubs, youth groups, council groups or whatever) if discussions with local community contacts suggest it is necessary.
Unfortunately the system falls down between community contacts and "community" - many people don't belong to any groups which is formally included or even identifiable and many community contacts are self-elected or invisible beyond their own interest groups. This is particularly the case with young people in the community, who tend to be as difficult for community contacts to communicate with as for the police directly.
Yes, but not all of them are identifiable and when you take one out another springs up whilst demand remains.jæd said:
A variety of places, many from Eastern Europe still. Drug routes also have been used to move weapons in the past.
Those convicted usually do get lengthy sentences anyway.
It doesn't strike me as a problem which will ever be solved by removing the supply side (those inclined to use guns would simply move down to knives or other weapons anyway).
northernhord
Active Member
Halting The supply of firearms is one way of stopping young kids killing other, ,the other way is addressing some of the reasons that make em act the way they do, Some of these rappers should start thinking about the consequenses of their lyrical content, most G rap is about life on the projects in America, some of it exagerrated, some it true, but for fucks sake whilst 50p and other G rappers are sat back sippin Krystel champagne some teenage lad somewhere is taking to heart what these fuckers write down and rap about.
Its gone from G rap being the commentary of the streets to being a manual of conduct on the streets.
Its gone from G rap being the commentary of the streets to being a manual of conduct on the streets.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
editor said:
As I've said before it's not that simple. If I knew some crazy fuck that had killed someone and they knew me and where I lived I'd think twice before going to the police. This isn't a cowardly act or a immoral one, its a sane one in certain circumstances.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
phildwyer said:
Your motives aside that's actually a fair point and one that I've heard from various community organisers, youth workers etc.
northernhord
Active Member
phildwyer said:
Your an Educated bloke though Phil
northernhord
Active Member
dum dum said:
They use the same Lingo as G rappers in the US, they use the same methods of exacting revenge for the same reasons, the haves and have not bits is partially true some of the lads get a bit miffed when someone from their Estate is driving around in a Beema and they aint, at least that's how it is on my Estate
northernhord
Active Member
Blagsta said:
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northernhord said:They use the same Lingo as G rappers in the US, they use the same methods of exacting revenge for the same reasons, the haves and have not bits is partially true some of the lads get a bit miffed when someone from their Estate is driving around in a Beema and they aint, at least that's how it is on my Estate
Most lads adopted american/jamaican slang on the estate I was raised on.I think it was to do with coming from low income back grounds,feeling dislocated from main stream society and latching onto something that would be abit of a fuck you to people who had alittle more.Its not complicated.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Fwiw, I think it helps create the environoment where this kind of violence is possible because, even if most kids aren't affected by it some are, and those form one end of a frame of reference of what's acceptable 'round here'.Blagsta said:
They don't define all of what's acceptable, but one end of what does actually happen.
Look around, where the hell else does this kind of influence come from ?
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
London_Calling said:
TV, videogames, adverts, films, the actions of our government and police force, a society that constantly tells people that they have to have the latest mobile phone, car, whatever to be succesful, buying a home out of reach of most people, skyhigh rent, sky high utility bills, job barely covers rent and bills, shit education, health service being sold off etc etc
