Techno - convert me

[dtb]

in fact the first industrial strength release was by Mescalinum United (Marc Acardipane) who was from Frankfurt. The first proper gabber track by Lenny on that label was English Muffin which was number 11.

 

[sam/phallocrat]

gabber originated in Holland in a place called the Parkzicht club in Rotterdam. DJs like Paul Elstak and Rob Fabrie were producing records on a label called Hithouse and spinning them with other Belgian/Dutch/US techno pitched up. This was back in 1991-92. There was never really a gabber scene in NY back then, most of the harder edged US producers - Lenny Dee, Beltram, Hawtin, Damon Wild etc.. often played at clubs in Holland and Germany.

cheers

 

[chico enrico]

in fact the first industrial strength release was by Mescalinum United (Marc Acardipane) who was from Frankfurt. The first proper gabber track by Lenny on that label was English Muffin which was number 11.

funnily enough, the first time jeff mills (the world's most overrated producer and spinner of boring records) played the UK he was playing a lot of the same records Lenny Dee was. One that sticks in my mind as particularly crap was basically a kick drum and the sound of an elephant bellowing.

 

[jbob]

gabber originated in Holland in a place called the Parkzicht club in Rotterdam. DJs like Paul Elstak and Rob Fabrie were producing records on a label called Hithouse and spinning them with other Belgian/Dutch/US techno pitched up. This was back in 1991-92. There was never really a gabber scene in NY back then, most of the harder edged US producers - Lenny Dee, Beltram, Hawtin, Damon Wild etc.. often played at clubs in Holland and Germany.

Arguably, Beltram's 'Mentasm' can be said to be the first hardcore tune. I love his gabba EP Evil A.D., it's fucking blinding. Damon Wild/Sulfurex's 'Break Point' used to be played at LOST '94 by virtually every DJ that played there.

 

[jbob]

funnily enough, the first time jeff mills (the world's most overrated producer and spinner of boring records) played the UK he was playing a lot of the same records Lenny Dee was. One that sticks in my mind as particularly crap was basically a kick drum and the sound of an elephant bellowing.

Mills has never distanced himself from hardcore. Early UR is hardcore.

 

[chico enrico]

gabber originated in Holland in a place called the Parkzicht club in Rotterdam. DJs like Paul Elstak and Rob Fabrie were producing records on a label called Hithouse and spinning them with other Belgian/Dutch/US techno pitched up. This was back in 1991-92. There was never really a gabber scene in NY back then, most of the harder edged US producers - Lenny Dee, Beltram, Hawtin, Damon Wild etc.. often played at clubs in Holland and Germany.

there was a fucking brilliant record on Hithouse called "88 to Piano" by, i think 'Manix'. well worth checking out.

Never liked Richie Hawtin's music much - The Techno Dullards' Dullard IMO. And a bit of a cock.

 

[jbob]

Never liked Richie Hawtin's music much - The Techno Dullards' Dullard IMO. And a bit of a cock.

You've talked a fair bit of rubbish on here, chico (which I'm quite surprised about), and this is just more nonsense. Hawtin/Dan Bell's early 12's are classics, as is his F.U.S.E. stuff. Latterly, yes, he's boring as fuck.

 

[chico enrico]

Mills has never distanced himself from hardcore. Early UR is hardcore.

not entirely. early UR is either classic kevin saunderson-esque techno or garage. it was more when they started doing the x-mix and 'punisher' releases they started doing hardcore.

always suspected it was more mills who was behind the fairly generic hardcore stuff they did as mike banks solo releases were always much better.

 

[chico enrico]

You've talked a fair bit of rubbish on here, chico (which I'm quite surprised about), and this is just more nonsense. Hawtin/Dan Bell's early 12's are classics, as is his F.U.S.E. stuff. Latterly, yes, he's boring as fuck.

yes, early dan bell stuff (and much of his later stuff) is great.

as is the early plus+8 stuff but that was all around 1991 or so.

After that he lost it IMO. Funnily enough i ws listening to some god-awful track of his on youtube the other day , called i think 'the tunnel' which is YET ANOTHER fucking re-hash of Armando's peerless "151" track but, as always, not fit to eat the pickings from 151's toenails.

 

[jbob]

not entirely. early UR is either classic kevin saunderson-esque techno or garage. it was more when they started doing the x-mix and 'punisher' releases they started doing hardcore.

always suspected it was more mills who was behind the fairly generic hardcore stuff they did as mike banks solo releases were always much better.

Your Time Is Up and Living For The Night are just two 12" in the UR catalogue, the rest from '90-93 is quiet clearly influenced by Belgian hardcore. It's great stuff too, quite brilliant at the time. Mills just pursued this direction more fully; Waveform 1 & 3 are pretty much as essential techno as you can get.

 

[Orang Utan]

You've talked a fair bit of rubbish on here, chico (which I'm quite surprised about), and this is just more nonsense. Hawtin/Dan Bell's early 12's are classics, as is his F.U.S.E. stuff. Latterly, yes, he's boring as fuck.

http://www.contakt-events.com/

 

[chico enrico]

Your Time Is Up and Living For The Night are just two 12" in the UR catalogue, the rest from '90-93 is quiet clearly influenced by Belgian hardcore. It's great stuff too, quite brilliant at the time.

actually, just checked on discogs and you are totally right. apologies, but it does seem like a long time ago and it is tracks like gamma rays/eliminator, living for the night* and that blake baxter ep that i remember playing out most.

funnily enough, i'd always thought kevin saunderson did a track called powerbass on UR. i've got a white of that with a UR stamp that he gave me in around 90 or 91 which i used to play out a lot too. sounded very like gamma rays as i recall.

*=jesus !! how fucking incredible is that 'live' mix of 'living for the night?'

 

[dtb]

Jeff Mills used to spin 100% hardcore techno and gabber, in fact he played at many of the first big Dutch gabber parties- Hellraiser etc... Hawtin played at one of the first gabber parties held at Parkzicht as well. I think Hawtin really lost his way very early on though, the stuff he makes these days is awful. in fact many of the more 'respected' DJs used to spin gabber but have since distanced themselves from the scene since it got a bad name - Carl Cox, Dave Clarke to name a couple more

 

[jbob]

http://www.contakt-events.com/

And I thought Luke Slater had lost it the most ...

 

[jbob]

Jeff Mills used to spin 100% hardcore techno and gabber, in fact he played at many of the first big Dutch gabber parties- Hellraiser etc... Hawtin played at one of the first gabber parties held at Parkzicht as well. I think Hawtin really lost his way very early on though, the stuff he makes these days is awful. in fact many of the more 'respected' DJs used to spin gabber but have since distanced themselves from the scene since it got a bad name - Carl Cox, Dave Clarke to name a couple more

All true. I remember one horrendous night in Birkenhead, when Mills was booked to play The Drome (notorious hardcore/gabba scally club), and within 10 minutes of his set some nob head racially abused him. He stopped the decks, calmly put his records away, and walked out.

 

[Orang Utan]

The voice is the only true instrument, everything else is a poor imitation. Palestrina FTW.

You are almost right lovely