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Team GB football for 2012?

Should there be a British Olympic Football team?


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steeplejack said:
'We'? the idea may be difficult to get through your thick skull, but for many people in Scotland (and Wales, too) the Olympics in 2012 may as well be being hosted by Bhutan. Many of us don't feel 'British' at all- get over it.

Besides, you contradict yourself- if we're so 'shit', no Scots players would be considered for 'team GB' anyway.

In fact your last point makes no sense whatsoever. None. Much like your entire contribution to this thread. How on earth would our refusal to submit players to a 'team GB' underline the point that 'Scottish football is shit', and how would our particpation in 'team GB' hide that obvious fact?

I don't find it difficult to understand the concept that many people in Scotland or Wales don't feel British. I don't think that many English people do either. The fact is that we are and we (Britain) are hosting the Olympics in 2012 including Hampden Park.

I don't see that there is a contradiction in Scottish football being shit now and whether any Scottish players in 2012 (who are only going to be around 10 to 15 years old now) will be good enough to be considered for selection. I also imagine that the SFA are against the girls competing so it will probably apply to them as well.

You say that my last point makes no sense, however, I'm not sure that your last one does either.

I don't think that I said that the SFA's refusal would underline the point that Scottish football is shit.

My point (partly in jest) was that the SFA probably don't wish to take part because they believe that their player's aren't good enough and wouldn't be selected and that it would be embarrassing to the SFA.

If the SFA were to allow Scottish players to take part then it is possible that some Scottish boys and girls may be selected and play. The SFAs current attitude doesn't give any of the youngsters in Scotland (and potentially the rest of Britain if they don't feel that they can enter a team which is not fully representative) the chance to compete.
 
steeplejack said:
It's not your team threatened with disappearing in the future, by participation ina glorified youth tournament.

What's the point?

It isn;t yours either.

Unless you care to show me someone who is pushing for it.
 
Maltin said:
1. My point (partly in jest) was that the SFA probably don't wish to take part because they believe that their player's aren't good enough and wouldn't be selected and that it would be embarrassing to the SFA.
2. The SFAs current attitude doesn't give any of the youngsters in Scotland (and potentially the rest of Britain if they don't feel that they can enter a team which is not fully representative) the chance to compete.

1. No it wouldn't be embarrassing at all- if the balance of power is as skewed toward England in 2012 as it is now, then that would just be an acknoweldgement of reality. if thousands of Scots players were choking to play in the Olympics, it might be 'embarrassing', but there's about as much interest in Olympic football up here as there is in the Belarussian second division championship.

2. Did you read the reasons I gave earlier? No player in Scotland, currently, is interested in being part of a GB Olympic football team. And, as long as there's the merest hint that the participation of such a team would jeopardise Scotland's future as a stand alone team, (however remote that threat currently is) no one up here will be, either.
 
Maltin said:
The reason that I made that last point was to try to elicit a valid reason from the Scottish posters on this thread as to why they think that their country shouldn't participate in a GB football team for the Olympics in 2012.

I'm not aware that there are problems with other GB team events in the Olympics.

As you started this thread and suggested that you disliked the idea on so many levels, do you care to give any reasons other than the Scots historic dislike of the English?
1, I don't feel British. I don't even feel Scottish for that matter but whenever a Scot does well in any event he's either English or British. When an Angle does well he's English. One recent example was the English ladies Curling champions who were umm Scottish.
I remember Allan Wells being referred to as English.
Another. Tim Henman was English but Andy Murray was English until those responsible were repeatedly reminded that he was Scottish. That made him British then. :rolleyes:
Then He got beat and by then it had finally sunk in that he was Scottish and preferred to be referred to as such.
I can't think of any reason why any sane Scot would choose to stand on a winners podium to the strains of the BNP anthem that is God save the queen. With it's anti Scots racist verse. (the 3rd one I think)
2, If you want an all UK team go ahead but don't call it a UK team. Just call it England under 23's 'cos that's what it'll be. Not because English players are better but because english players are english.
3, To back this up. Alan Thompson of Celtic was playing the best football seen for years by a left sided English player. He wasn't picked. And France took advantage in Paris at the Euro Championships. Why was he no picked?
4. I don't hate England. England show sottish footballers and Scottish football in general no respect. So what do you expect? Us to behave like good little doggies and beg for the scraps of the table.
No I'd rather see you make a right bollox of it by yourselves.
 
Who specifically called Murray or the curling team English?

Murray especially. It seems every journalist can't wait to tell us hes a normal boy from Scotland rather than some posh bloke from Oxon.

I don't feel British but I'm not against the British Lions. I actively support them in fact.
 
Harold Hill said:
Who specifically called Murray or the curling team English?

Murray especially. It seems every journalist can't wait to tell us hes a normal boy from Scotland rather than some posh bloke from Oxon.

I don't feel British but I'm not against the British Lions. I actively support them in fact.


but rather ironically can't even get their fucking name right.....
 
Harold Hill said:


you, ya walloper trying to tell any cunt that will listen that it won't effect national identity to be brought into a horrible homgenous Team Brit - when you don't even have the grace to call the British & Irish Lions by their full name.
 
Not so much grace as laziness.

Funny how someone that hates international football always turns up in the intl threads.
 
Harold Hill said:
Not so much grace as laziness.

pig.fucken.ignorance - even when pointed out to you that you have made an error you still don't have a fucken clue that your British team that you profess to support might contain those from another nation.

This is the type of pig.ignorant.cuntishness that turns those from outwith englandshire against them - the same sort of mentality that describes George Best to be one of the finest british Footballer to grace football, but can suddenly change his nationality when describing the Irishmans Alcohol problems - the sort of cunt that picks and chooses - Murray will be the great British hope until perhaps he loses his temper and suddenly transforms into a fiery scot - harold, as a blinkered englisher that is to lazy to acknowledge the presence of those from beyond britain within a team he supports yer a walkin advert for anyone to run a mile from the idea

Good work.
 
Dilzybhoy said:
1, whenever a Scot does well in any event he's either English or British.
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I can't think of any reason why any sane Scot would choose to stand on a winners podium to the strains of the BNP anthem that is God save the queen. With it's anti Scots racist verse. (the 3rd one I think)
2, If you want an all UK team go ahead but don't call it a UK team. Just call it England under 23's 'cos that's what it'll be. Not because English players are better but because english players are english.
3, To back this up. Alan Thompson of Celtic was playing the best football seen for years by a left sided English player. He wasn't picked. And France took advantage in Paris at the Euro Championships. Why was he no picked?
4. I don't hate England. England show sottish footballers and Scottish football in general no respect. So what do you expect? Us to behave like good little doggies and beg for the scraps of the table.

1) I too dislike the way that the majority of the English press refer to someone from England as English but when they are from another part of Britain they don't always refer to them as Scottish etc. but as British, especially when referring to sporting achievment. I don't know whether this happens in reverse in the press in other parts of Britain.

Plenty of sane Scots do stand on podia and listen to God Save the Queen, because it is Britain's national anthem. I'm sure that if you are one of the best in the world at what you do, the achievment is far more important to you than whatever music they play at the presentation of your medal. Whilst our national anthem in full has some unpleasant lyrics that would not be acceptable today, in reality these are not generally used when it is played or referred to.

2) Britain competes in the Olympics, not England etc. I would have thought that we would be unable to call the team England even if it were made up of players all from England. I also doubt that we would enter a team if it was not able to select players from all of Britain, even if the squad eventually did not include players from all of Britain. As I have mentioned before, presumably this issue also relates to the women's game and just because you feel that in 7 years time there won't be a male Scottish player capable of being one of the best in his age group in Britain, this may not be the case with the women's game.

3) I don't know.

4) It's not about accepting scraps from England; it's about giving young Scottish footballers the opportunity to take part in one of the biggest sporting events in the world that is being held here.

Generally I couldn't give a shit about the Olympics, whether it was being held here or elsewhere. I also don't really care if we submit a GB team or not in the football, however as host nation in 2012, I think we probably should.

The only reason that I have bothered to post on this thread was that you created a poll which generated a generally negative view yet, in my opinion, there were hardly any valid reasons stated for voting negatively.

The only one that I feel has some merit is the old one of the status of the home nations, which (possibly because of the current poor performance of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) appears to be less of an issue nowadays.

British football history has seen quite a few instances of adminstrators making negative decisions which later seem perverse. Whilst this looks like it might be added to that list, it would be good to see an adminstrator taking a positive decision for a change.
 
Maltin said:
1)

Plenty of sane Scots do stand on podia and listen to God Save the Queen, because it is Britain's national anthem.
Ok then, but why not a raised black glove adorned fist???

And your idea of sane and not are somewhat different.

Obviously

EDIT...I remember Daley Thompson doing something "disrespectful" one year.
God Bless him
 
I fucking hate England (sportwise). They despise us. Why would one pretend that we are a United Kingdom when we are culturally, politically and morally not?
I'm against a team GB in every sport. Why? Because I am. That's why.

And that 3rd verse sits there like a big putrid mountain of hateful racist jobby.
Whether or not they play it now or not. It's fucking there!!!

For that reason and that alone I like to see England get fucked at everything they do.
Oh and by "fucked" I don't mean made love to ferociously. I mean fucked.
 
I'm with whoever said they should just abolish olympic football. It's pretty much the only sport where the olympics isn't the pinacle of an athletes achievement and it (if only a little) demeans all the other medals that weren't won it a joke tournament.
 
Sorry. said:
I'm with whoever said they should just abolish olympic football. It's pretty much the only sport where the olympics isn't the pinacle of an athletes achievement and it (if only a little) demeans all the other medals that weren't won it a joke tournament.
The whole fucking charade is a fucking joke.
I'd like to see britian, USA and the coalititon of the shitting themselves incase they get branded terrorists, banned from the Olympics.
I include Éire in that bracket btw.
Eternal flame??? Shame more like!!!
 
With any luck, England will have it's independance from Britain by 2012, thus allowing the Gaelic nations to unite and represent Britain, with England being a totally seperate nation.
 
Yeah, exactly - a UK XI now would just be England plus Giggs, and Giggs will be pushing 40 by the time the 2012 Olympics rolls around.
 
errr...except that the Olmpics is an u-23 tournament, so Giggs last chance of playing in an Olympics (which no one gives a fuck about anyway in football terms) was sometime in the mid 1990s.
 
mattkidd12 said:
Lol. Which Scottish players would have been selected anyway?

Do you have a crystal ball which tells you which of today's 11-16 year old footballers will be good enough to play international football in seven years' time ?

if you do, I'd cash in. maybe you could interest Pete Winkleman. I hear he wants to take your beloved MK Dons back to the premier league.

:rolleyes:
 
thats why i thought

steeplejack said:
errr...except that the Olmpics is an u-23 tournament, so Giggs last chance of playing in an Olympics (which no one gives a fuck about anyway in football terms) was sometime in the mid 1990s.


if no one gives a fuck about it why not have all 4 in together, and distribute proportionaly.
 
Because neither Scotland nor Wales are interested in taking part in such a team. Why is that so difficult for some people to grasp? Not having a go, just genuinely puzzled why there's a thread on this every couple of months.

If it happens, it will be England & NI that's bothered. Scotland and Wales simply aren't.
 
I don't think there's much English interest in a GB football team either, precisely because there'd be likely to be too much emphasis on choosing a representative number of players from each nation and not enough on getting a winning team.
 
Just another wee thought.
Someone might clear it up for me.
At the moment, I think, once a player plays for a nation then he is stuck with that nation.
What happens to all the Scottish and Irish players playing for GB?
It maybe their first International.

btw to Harold, I think, if there are any young players out there who will be denied a place in the GB team because they're Scottish. Then maybe they could just play for Scotland?
 
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