Teacher sacked for wearing trainers!!

[West_Ham_Wham]

Applying myself to subjects I do have personal knowledge of, such as schools in Glasgow, I can say that teachers generally have other priorities than worrying about wearing polished shoes and business trousers in class.

But the actual issue is the head imposing this without consultation and using it to victimise the NUT rep.

 

[Fullyplumped]

Well personally I couldn't care a less if teachers wear trainers, I care about how good teachers they are and in fact I personally wouldn't want them all looking like corporate clones. So there is no "common sense" on this.

What does a corporate clone look like? Burtons and Top Shop and the like offer a wide range of gentlemen's business apparel with which he might express his individuality.

 

[West_Ham_Wham]

how awful, smelling of smoke in front of the students... if my teachers weren't allowed to do that at school we wouldnt have had many teachers left

No my point is that the head teacher is a hypocrit.

I shall remain on the fence a bit longer then.. does seem a bit dodgy that the person who bought this rule in has since resigned. Rat deserting a sinking ship?

To be fair I think she was just an interim head. Came in and sacked a good and experience teacher for wearing trainers. Sounds like she did a cracking job.

 

[West_Ham_Wham]

What does a corporate clone look like? Burtons and Top Shop and the like offer a wide range of gentlemen's business apparel with which he might express his individuality.

A vision of a school from some nightmare robotic future.........

 

[Fedayn]

You misread my post. I'll highlight the important bits for you



One could draw the conclusion that Mr Swain does not comprehend what is and is not appropriate attire in a professional setting.

How is it inappropriate attire? It was imposed, no consultation and ironically the NUT rep is sacked.... how convenient!

 

[Fullyplumped]

But the actual issue is the head imposing this without consultation and using it to victimise the NUT rep.

Exactly. And the NUT rep is a div for letting this be the issue to fight about rather than safety or resources.

 

[Fedayn]

Are you claiming that we should only have opinions about subjects concernng which we have personal knowledge, and leave the rest to better minds? On U75 politics forum?

Applying myself to subjects I do have personal knowledge of, such as schools in Glasgow, I can say that teachers generally have other priorities than worrying about wearing polished shoes and business trousers in class.

You have made claims and made assertions that you have absolutely no knowledge if true or untrue, but hey smear away, it's par for the course for you eh?!

Again, you haven't got a clue what else teachers are raising as important issues, but for you to make insinuations that they aren't doing so is good enough for you.

 

[West_Ham_Wham]

Exactly. And the NUT rep is a div for letting this be the issue to fight about rather than safety or resources.

No this is one of loads of things the rep has fought about (I know some stuff about the school and background to this), but this was used to victimise the NUT rep. I think the headteacher is the "div".

 

[Homeless Mal]

How is it inappropriate attire? It was imposed, no consultation and ironically the NUT rep is sacked.... how convenient!

If the man had dressed appropriately in the first place he could have avoided all this trouble. It seems all he need do was glance around the staffroom to ascertain what was appropriate as no other staff member seems to have had his trouble. You say it is because he is a NUT rep. One might speculate that perhaps he felt that with this position he was above the law and could dress as he pleased. Well he's not smiling now.

 

[Fedayn]

Exactly. And the NUT rep is a div for letting this be the issue to fight about rather than safety or resources.

So he should accept his sacking as a result of imposed changes?

 

[Descartes]

A spokeswoman for Tower Hamlets Council said the decision to dismiss the teacher followed discussion between the council, the school and trade unions.

"Staff in Tower Hamlets schools are expected to set a good example to the students they teach," she said.

"It is vital that standards are set in terms of appearance and behaviour, and staff are asked not to wear items of clothing that students are not permitted to wear themselves."

The teacher has the right to appeal against his dismissal, she added.

 

[Fullyplumped]

But of course you have no idea what the parents think, do you. I'm sure they're more concerned about what kind of teacher he is and the results he gets rather than whether he wears trainers. And would rather a good and experience teacher in place rather than him being sacked for wearing trainers when the headteacher hypocritically (from her point of view) wears a facial piercing and smells of smoke.

I'm sure many parents have facial piercings, but parents aren't expected to conform to a dress code, teachers are.

Of course, as I've said already, I have no idea what parents of children at this school think, any more than I think you do unless you're one yourself, but parents are parents all over and it's reasonable to infer from the stuff I do know, just as you've done, isn't it!

 

[Fedayn]

If the man had dressed appropriately in the first place he could have avoided all this trouble. It seems all he need do was glance around the staffroom to ascertain what was appropriate as no othe staff member seems to have had his trouble. You say it is because he is a NUT rep. One might speculate that perhaps he felt that with this position he was above the law and could dress as he pleased. Well he's not smiling now.

What law would that be then? Care to point me to it?
Are you a bit thick today? The new measures were imposed, no consultation and the person sacked is the NUT rep, now perhaps in your world, where breastfeeding women in public are a disgrace it's ok to sack someone after iomposing new conditions but some of us might disagree.

 

[West_Ham_Wham]

A spokeswoman for Tower Hamlets Council said the decision to dismiss the teacher followed discussion between the council, the school and trade unions.

This is an outright lie as I know the background to this. The NUT and staff weren't consulted.

 

[Fullyplumped]

So he should accept his sacking as a result of imposed changes?

No, he shouldn't let himself get sacked over what is a trivial matter where management is essentially right.

 

[Fedayn]

I'm sure many parents have facial piercings, but parents aren't expected to conform to a dress code, teachers are.

Of course, as I've said already, I have no idea what parents of children at this school think, any more than I think you do unless you're one yourself, but parents are parents all over and it's reasonable to infer from the stuff I do know, just as you've done, isn't it!

How is it reasonable for you to infer what you do? You have no knowledge of the parents concerned and yet here you are telling us what they're thinking. Quite a talent you have there.

 

[West_Ham_Wham]

I'm sure many parents have facial piercings, but parents aren't expected to conform to a dress code, teachers are.

No the head teacher had a facial piercing.

 

[Homeless Mal]

What law would that be then? Care to point me to it?
Are you a bit thick today? The new measures were imposed, no consultation and the person sacked is the NUT rep, now perhaps in your world, where breastfeeding women in public are a disgrace it's ok to sack someone after iomposing new conditions but some of us might disagree.

I used 'above the law' as an expression. I was not referring to any law per se. Were any other teachers at the school disciplined for the way they dressed? No. One might conclude that Mr Swain is somewhat out of touch with the world today and community expectations.

 

[Fullyplumped]

No this is one of loads of things the rep has fought about (I know some stuff about the school and background to this), but this was used to victimise the NUT rep. I think the headteacher is the "div".

You might well be right about the head teacher, but it's the wrong thing to get sacked over.

He should have gone home, put on his best going-to-weddings-or-court-appearances suit and shiniest shoes, and picked a fight he could win.

That would have shown them!

 

[Fedayn]

No, he shouldn't let himself get sacked over what is a trivial matter where management is essentially right.

So, an imposed condition, imposed without proper consultation should simply be accepted? You really are the most slavish little creature aren't you?! Imposed changes so just roll over.

I'd also like to know the story of why the temp head left the day after the NUT rep was sacked.

 

[Fedayn]

I used 'above the law' as an expression. I was not referring to any law per se. Were any other teachers at the school disciplined for the way they dressed? No. One might conclude that Mr Swain is somewhat out of touch with the world today and community expectations.

Well given the teachers have voted for a ballot on strike action we may well soon conclude that he is not out of step at all.

 

[Fullyplumped]

No the head teacher had a facial piercing.

I hope someone has informed the proper authorities so they can investigate and, if it's contrary to the dress code, take suitable disciplinary action.

 

[Fedayn]

I hope someone has informed the proper authorities so they can investigate and, if it's contrary to the dress code, take suitable disciplinary action.

Fortuitously the head teacher has now left the school. Funny that....

 

[Homeless Mal]

Well given the teachers have voted for a ballot on strike action we may well soon conclude that he is not out of step at all.

And all this because one adult man in a professional job does not know how to dress presentably

 

[Fullyplumped]

So, an imposed condition, imposed without proper consultation should simply be accepted? You really are the most slavish little creature aren't you?! Imposed changes so just roll over.

This one, definitely, yes!

I'd also like to know the story of why the temp head left the day after the NUT rep was sacked.

I'm sure it will be an interesting story.

 

[Fedayn]

And all this because one adult man in a professional job does not know how to dress presentably

Or, more accurately, all this because a temporary head teacher arbitrarily imposed new consultations without the proper consultation and then sacked the NUT rep.

 

[Fedayn]

This one, definitely, yes!


I'm sure it will be an interesting story.

I hope you're never involved in representing staff in disciplinary meeatings at work.

 

[Fullyplumped]

Fortuitously the head teacher has now left the school. Funny that....

She or he probably realised the game was up, and left so she could escape the inexorable wheels of local authority justice. Assuming that facial furniture was contrary to the dress code.

 

[Fullyplumped]

I hope you're never involved in representing staff in disciplinary meeatings at work.

I used to be, but I spent more time as a union rep working to make sure that people didn't get themselves caught up in ones they'd lose.

 

[Fedayn]

She or he probably realised the game was up, and left so she could escape the inexorable wheels of local authority justice. Assuming that facial furniture was contrary to the dress code.

Well clearly the alleged facial piercing hasn't stopped her doing 'her job', but it seems that for others such contraventions are enough to merit a sacking.