Teacher sacked for wearing trainers!!

[subversplat]

The guy seems like trouble to me. At the very least I would have expected him to wear a collared shirt over the trakkies. The man seems to lack any sort of sense.

Have you just given up and become a full-time troll?

 

[West_Ham_Wham]

A great teacher, or just a popular one?

Well apparently he gets good results if that's what you mean. And from everything I've read he is a great teacher.

But heh, he wears trainers...........(and ironically the interim head has a facial piercing, smelt of smoke and was a goth)

 

[Homeless Mal]

And of course you are saying this after knowing how he is as a teacher and how his pupils have doen after he's taught them? Well? I'll bet you know fuck all about him but have deceided that because you think he looks 'like a right scruff' you've decided that's enough reason not only for him to be sacked but indeed attacked as holding teaching back.....

That's very harsh. It's not his clothes so much as his attitude. That is what is holding things back. Do a no confidence vote and the PE teacher would lose IMHO.

 

[West_Ham_Wham]

Do a no confidence vote and the PE teacher would lose IMHO.

Actually the other teachers have just voted unanimously in favour of calling for a ballot for strike action to reverse his sacking and every comment from pupils I've read has been supportive of him.

 

[Fedayn]

That's very harsh. It's not his clothes so much as his attitude. That is what is holding things back. Do a no confidence vote and the PE teacher would lose IMHO.

Harsh? My words harsh? You're cheerleading someone being sacked and then attacking him personally as holding teaching back. Fuck off with your whining you utter fucking cunt. You know fuck all about him but have decided on his attitude and as such his deserving to be sacked.

As for the no confidence issue, well a strike ballot has been called for, we shall see eh?!

 

[Fictionist]

So head teachers should just be able to impose any old dress code without any consultation?

Sacking a very good teacher for wearing trainers is a disgrace. Who gives a shit if teachers wear trainers or not. It's the head teacher who should grow up and not be so pathetic and vindictive about this, it's obviously victimisation.

Apparently she also goes around smoking and smells of cigarettes in front of the children, some people might say that's setting a worse example for children. Maybe she should have sacked herself for that?

Ironically she is also a goth and wears a facial piercing................

You didn't perform well on 'Today' and you are equally as unconvincing here. I also note your use of the word 'apparently' before your accusations against your Head.

Grow up.

 

[Homeless Mal]

Harsh? My words harsh? You're cheerleading someone being sacked and then attacking him personally as holding teaching back. Fuck off with your whining you utter fucking cunt. You know fuck all about him but have decided on his attitude and as such his deserving to be sacked.

I don't argue when I am right Good day to you.

 

[strung out]

how awful, smelling of smoke in front of the students... if my teachers weren't allowed to do that at school we wouldnt have had many teachers left

 

[Fedayn]

I don't argue when I am right Good day to you.

How do you know you're right? You know little to nothing about this teachers attitude but have decided what his attitude is and how that he's not only deserving of the sack but also one of those allegedly-though you as ever provide zero evidence, holding teaching back. Remember your diatribe against women breastfeeding? You keyboard wanker....

 

[butterfly child]

I noticed after that he is a teacher of special needs...

I've worked in a residential school for young people with special needs.. and my personal view was the young people seemed to work better with staff who were casually dressed..

<shrug>

I shall remain on the fence a bit longer then.. does seem a bit dodgy that the person who bought this rule in has since resigned. Rat deserting a sinking ship?

 

[Fullyplumped]

That's very harsh. It's not his clothes so much as his attitude. That is what is holding things back. Do a no confidence vote and the PE teacher would lose IMHO.

I agree that it's about attitude. But I don't understand about a "no-confidence vote". The atmosphere within the school seems to be one in which staff dress code is more pressing than resources, discipline, safety and all the other things that teachers are generally concerned about. Of course he'd win a vote of confidence among the staff, and probably among the pupils, 'cos he's such a rebel.

The parents might have a different view, though, but they're all probably old fogeys like me.

 

[Fedayn]

I agree that it's about attitude. But I don't understand about a "no-confidence vote". The atmosphere within the school seems to be one in which staff dress code is more pressing than resources, discipline, safety and all the other things that teachers are generally concerned about. Of course he'd win a vote of confidence among the staff, and probably among the pupils, 'cos he's such a rebel.

The parents might have a different view, though, but they're all probably old fogeys like me.

And here we have yet agaon our resident New Labour troll making claims that he'she has no evidence to back up? How do you know staff dress code is a bigger issue than resources discipline and safety? Please show your evidence for yet another silly claim?
And of course the only reason staff, pupils and anyone else would beack him is 'cos he's such a rebel' and again your evidence for this is what exactly?
Like the homeless proick above you have no evidence for your smears and are happy to trot them out if it's all helping those in power.

 

[Homeless Mal]

I agree that it's about attitude. But I don't understand about a "no-confidence vote". The atmosphere within the school seems to be one in which staff dress code is more pressing than resources, discipline, safety and all the other things that teachers are generally concerned about. Of course he'd win a vote of confidence among the staff, and probably among the pupils, 'cos he's such a rebel.

The parents might have a different view, though, but they're all probably old fogeys like me.

TBF I think younger and newer teachers would also expect the teacher to dress better. If, as the Council say, he is wearing items of clothing that students are not allowed to wear at school he should change his clothes. There is obviously more to this story than we are being told. I would not be at all surprised if this man had been counselled many times previously about his appearance.

 

[RaverDrew]

Only peado-teachers wear trainers. FACT.

 

[West_Ham_Wham]

You didn't perform well on 'Today' and you are equally as unconvincing here. I also note your use of the word 'apparently' before your accusations against your Head.

I'm not Adrian Swain (as I've already said). And the reason I used the word apparently is because I'm not a worker or student at the school.

Actually I thought he did quite well in the interview I heard. But more to the point he seems to get glowing references from his fellow teachers and pupils, which I would have thought was the most important thing. But as said, heh he wears trainers. Sack him.

 

[West_Ham_Wham]

The atmosphere within the school seems to be one in which staff dress code is more pressing than resources, discipline, safety and all the other things that teachers are generally concerned about.

And your evidence for this is what exactly? I haven't got a clue what issues have been brought up along these lines and you haven't either. But heh why not whack out a load of assumptions that are backed up with nothing.

As for the parents I doubt you have a clue what they think either.

 

[Fullyplumped]

And here we have yet agaon our resident New Labour troll making claims that he'she has no evidence to back up? How do you know staff dress code is a bigger issue than resources discipline and safety? Please show your evidence for yet another silly claim?

I have only the same evidence as everyone else. I've inferred that staff dress code is the hot button issue because according to the reports it's the staff dress code that is making them talk about going on strike, not the prospect of being thumped or abused by pupils, or not having enough money for paper or books, or having to take ridiculous numbers of classes because other teachers haven't turned up.

I am sure you know plenty of teachers and that you will be aware of the really serious issues they face. I seriously doubt if that many are fuming because the heidie told them they need to maintain a professional appearance at work.

 

[West_Ham_Wham]

If, as the Council say, he is wearing items of clothing that students are not allowed to wear at school he should change his clothes.

He said in the interview that students are only allowed to wear a school uniform does that mean you think the teachers should wear this as well?

 

[Homeless Mal]

He said in the interview that students are only allowed to wear a school uniform does that mean you think the teachers should wear this as well?

Teachers should be treated as adults and presumed to have the commonsense necessary to wear appropriate clothing. Mr Swain seems to have fallen down in this area.

 

[Fedayn]

I have only the same evidence as everyone else. I've inferred that staff dress code is the hot button issue because according to the reports it's the staff dress code that is making them talk about going on strike, not the prospect of being thumped or abused by pupils, or not having enough money for paper or books, or having to take ridiculous numbers of classes because other teachers haven't turned up.

I am sure you know plenty of teachers and that you will be aware of the really serious issues they face. I seriously doubt if that many are fuming because the heidie told them they need to maintain a professional appearance at work.

Exactly, you have no evidence to make your assertions, claims and suggestions, but you still do regardless of what you know.

And how do you know that all of those issues you have mentioned above have not been raised? What do you know of the issues at the school in question?
I know a fair few teachers actually yes, and the issues they face range depending an numerous factors. That however does not mean that the issue here is irrelevant or more or less important than everything else. You have no idea how good the teacher is, or frankly what their attitude is so perhaps try and find out what happened rather than make ill informed remarks.

 

[Fullyplumped]

And your evidence for this is what exactly? I haven't got a clue what issues have been brought up along these lines and you haven't either. But heh why not whack out a load of assumptions that are backed up with nothing.

As for the parents I doubt you have a clue what they think either.

Well of course I have no evidence about these issues, but I'm perfectly capable of making an inference from the evidence abvailable.

As for the parents - nobody ever asks the parents, especially when these parents are among the poorest and most marginalised - I read that 80% are of Bangladeshi origin, which I understand to be the poorest community in London, whose boys in particular presently experience the poorest outcomes from school teaching.

Most parents want their children taught things so they can make a good living when they get out of school, and most parents understand that one of the things you need to achieve this is an ordered and disciplined institution. Teaching staff going on strike because they don't like being told to dress professionally is not a sign that this is being offered to them.

 

[Fedayn]

Teachers should be treated as adults and presumed to have the commonsense necessary to wear appropriate clothing. Mr Swain seems to have fallen down in this area.

What does being treated like an adult have to do with wearing or not wearoing trainers? Yet another cretinous remark from you.

 

[Fullyplumped]

He said in the interview that students are only allowed to wear a school uniform does that mean you think the teachers should wear this as well?

Well I think that the teacher should conform to the dress code when going to and from school and teaching in class, and leave the gym shoes and trackie bottoms for teaching gym classes.

 

[Fedayn]

Most parents want their children taught things so they can make a good living when they get out of school, and most parents understand that one of the things you need to achieve this is an ordered and disciplined institution. Teaching staff going on strike because they don't like being told to dress professionally is not a sign that this is being offered to them.

But sacking a teacher who may well have an excelletn record of coaching/helping students to good grades is somehow a sign of good teaching is it?

 

[West_Ham_Wham]

I have only the same evidence as everyone else. I've inferred that staff dress code is the hot button issue because according to the reports it's the staff dress code that is making them talk about going on strike, not the prospect of being thumped or abused by pupils, or not having enough money for paper or books, or having to take ridiculous numbers of classes because other teachers haven't turned up.

No this is the issue that the press has picked up on. If you do more background reading you'll find out that the teachers at the school are also campaigning against changes in the school which they think will be detrimental to students (such as the anti-academy campaign). From people I've spoken to they are concerned about all these things and have taken them up but at the moment someone has just been sacked for wearing trainers after 35 years experience.

I am sure you know plenty of teachers and that you will be aware of the really serious issues they face. I seriously doubt if that many are fuming because the heidie told them they need to maintain a professional appearance at work.

But this isn't the issue. The issue is that the head introduced a change in conditions with no consultation at all. And has now used this to victimise the NUT rep. If she was so concerned about what people thought about "professional appearance" would she smell of smoke and wear a facial piercing?

 

[West_Ham_Wham]

Teachers should be treated as adults and presumed to have the commonsense necessary to wear appropriate clothing. Mr Swain seems to have fallen down in this area.

Well personally I couldn't care a less if teachers wear trainers, I care about how good teachers they are and in fact I personally wouldn't want them all looking like corporate clones. So there is no "common sense" on this.

 

[Homeless Mal]

What does being treated like an adult have to do with wearing or not wearoing trainers? Yet another cretinous remark from you.

You misread my post. I'll highlight the important bits for you

Teachers should be treated as adults and presumed to have the commonsense necessary to wear appropriate clothing. Mr Swain seems to have fallen down in this area.

One could draw the conclusion that Mr Swain does not comprehend what is and is not appropriate attire in a professional setting.

 

[Fullyplumped]

Exactly, you have no evidence to make your assertions, claims and suggestions, but you still do regardless of what you know.

And how do you know that all of those issues you have mentioned above have not been raised? What do you know of the issues at the school in question?
I know a fair few teachers actually yes, and the issues they face range depending an numerous factors. That however does not mean that the issue here is irrelevant or more or less important than everything else. You have no idea how good the teacher is, or frankly what their attitude is so perhaps try and find out what happened rather than make ill informed remarks.

Are you claiming that we should only have opinions about subjects concernng which we have personal knowledge, and leave the rest to better minds? On U75 politics forum?

Applying myself to subjects I do have personal knowledge of, such as schools in Glasgow, I can say that teachers generally have other priorities than worrying about wearing polished shoes and business trousers in class.

 

[West_Ham_Wham]

As for the parents - nobody ever asks the parents, especially when these parents are among the poorest and most marginalised - I read that 80% are of Bangladeshi origin, which I understand to be the poorest community in London, whose boys in particular presently experience the poorest outcomes from school teaching.

Most parents want their children taught things so they can make a good living when they get out of school, and most parents understand that one of the things you need to achieve this is an ordered and disciplined institution. Teaching staff going on strike because they don't like being told to dress professionally is not a sign that this is being offered to them.

But of course you have no idea what the parents think, do you. I'm sure they're more concerned about what kind of teacher he is and the results he gets rather than whether he wears trainers. And would rather a good and experience teacher in place rather than him being sacked for wearing trainers when the headteacher hypocritically (from her point of view) wears a facial piercing and smells of smoke.

 

[Fullyplumped]

You misread my post. I'll highlight the important bits for you

One could draw the conclusion that Mr Swain does not comprehend what is and is not appropriate attire in a professional setting.

I think he's worried about your use of the word "adult" when you plainly meant "professional".