tbaldwins manifesto

[Fruitloop]

people who use chopsticks in Chinese restaurants.

Even if they're Chinese?

 

[brasicritique]

1 Cut Income Tax for lower paid...Starting rate of 10% on first £10,000 of somebodys wages. 20% on anything over £20,000. 30% on anything over £30,000. 40% on anything over £40,000. 50% on anything over £50,000.
60% on anything over £60,000.

2 Renationalise the public transport system.
Cut fares and increase capacity.

3 Introduce a maximum wage in the Public and Voluntary sector £70,000.
( For a time limited period doctors would have to be exempt.

4 50% super tax on all advertising.

5 Increase road taxes and petrol.

6 Replace the House of Lords with a second chamber diorectly elected by proportional representation.

7 Stop the recruitment of skilled workers from poorer nations unless companies pay reparations to those nations.

8 Support International Labour rules to ensure that multinationals are obliged to improve the wages and conditions of workers in poorer countries.

9 Bring in a National Labour Scheme. 50% of people presently languishing in UK prison cells would instead be asked if they would prefer to work.
Young unemployed people and those who come in early contact with the Criminal justice system would also be obliged to become part of the NLS..

10 Improve food in schools and hospitals.

11 Referendum of privatising the monarchy.

12 Referendum on Capital punishment.

13 Reform of the Benefits system increasing benefits that dont stop people from working and allowing people on JSA,IB etc to gradually move into work without immediately losing benefits.

14 Increasing the minimum wage for all larger companies who employ over 100 people.

15 Shoot 100 top celebrities voted for by the great british public.

you forgot to renationalise gas and electric have you got shares in EDF or somthing? htf can you change society with out renationalising energy

rggggggggggajjjajjjjrhhhhhh

 

[bluestreak]

Which bits did you find good or barmy then bluestreak?

Your use of the space bar was pretty good, but the actual words veer on the barmy!

*budum tish*

nah, no time to proper critique it now balders, i'll try and remember to do so later.

 

[The Groke]

If you believe in a fairer distribution of wealth, then you have to tackle inherited wealth. Looking at it again i think it was a bit timid but maybe a good first move anyway.

I guess I don't then.


Given that inherited wealth has already been taxed once and that taxation is not "fair distribution of wealth" anyway I can't really get behind that one.

 

[tbaldwin]

I guess I don't then.


Given that inherited wealth has already been taxed once and that taxation is not "fair distribution of wealth" anyway I can't really get behind that one.

I think taxation presently is not really fair distribution of wealth. I think raising inheritance tax would be a really good thing. There are generations of poverty in the UK and money is handed down through the generations bypassing most of us. That thing about people being taxed twice is daily mail style nonsense, how the fuck can you only tax money once when it keeps moving round and round..............

 

[tbaldwin]

Why should small and medium-sized businesses be able to get away with lower wages?

I'm sure you can find plenty of sweatshops with fewer than 100 employees - but you are not, like al-Respeq, a fan of miserably low pay as long as the rich bullying pigs are of some approved kulcha, are you?

In a word no. But i think that people who can afford to pay more like Tesco McDonalds etc etc should pay more than say some small shop or cafe.
I know some people will say small employers can be really exploitative and yeah thats true but some people who have small businesses work very hard for quite small rewards.

 

[tbaldwin]

That'll be nice. As a disabled person, increasingly dependent on reliable door-to-door transport, the idea of paying more for petrol causes premature ejaculation.

As a disabled person you could probably get some kind of benefit that would help you with increased petrol costs etc.
And i think you might also benefit from reduced congestion as well.

 

[tbaldwin]

Some interesting food for thought.But not much on the environment.
Yes and how would you privatise the monarchy exactly?

1 Yeah i should have put more about green issues i know.

2 I dont think most people want to see the monarchy have the heads cut off etc etc....But they would be in favour of not giving them any more public money...So that would be good.
So we just vote on do you think the monarchy should have/need more public money or not...My guess is the monarchy would lose the vote and i would also have a vote that the head of state is elected by the people.

 

[ethel]

1 Cut Income Tax for lower paid...Starting rate of 10% on first £10,000 of somebodys wages. 20% on anything over £20,000. 30% on anything over £30,000. 40% on anything over £40,000. 50% on anything over £50,000.
60% on anything over £60,000.

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this would increase tax for the lower paid.
this year if you earn £10,000 you pay £913. under your proposals they'd pay £1000.

what about the bit between £10k and £20k?

 

[Bakunin]

1 Yeah i should have put more about green issues i know.

2 I dont think most people want to see the monarchy have the heads cut off etc etc....But they would be in favour of not giving them any more public money...So that would be good.
So we just vote on do you think the monarchy should have/need more public money or not...My guess is the monarchy would lose the vote and i would also have a vote that the head of state is elected by the people.

In the interest of saving public money, do you think saving £76bn by not replacing Trident would be a good idea?

Or are you going to defend it?

 

[tbaldwin]

this would increase tax for the lower paid.
this year if you earn £10,000 you pay £913. under your proposals they'd pay £1000.

what about the bit between £10k and £20k?

Thanks Sarah you an accountant...youve picked up on a serious flaw there....i have loads......But what i should have said was 10% on anything over £10,000 so they would be better off...It was wot i ment but i got it wrong with my zealous nuttyness when writing it down.

 

[tbaldwin]

In the interest of saving public money, do you think saving £76bn by not replacing Trident would be a good idea?

Or are you going to defend it?

I dont think anybody could really defend that could they?

 

[Demosthenes]

Except the two main political parties, for some reason.

 

[tbaldwin]

Except the two main political parties, for some reason.

Sadly they both do. A pragmatic and credible left wing alternative is badly needed. But the problem on the left is that it is dominated by dogmatic people with little regard for the views of the majority on a whole host of major issues.

 

[poster342002]

Sadly they both do. A pragmatic and credible left wing alternative is badly needed. But the problem on the left is that it is dominated by dogmatic people with little regard for the views of the majority on a whole host of major issues.

Combined with a strange refusal to campaign on things that affect large numbers of the worst-off in society: such as the abolition of the low-rate tax, soaring food prices, the welfare reform act and so forth. A deafening silence exudes from the left on all those.

 

[mk12]

1 Cut Income Tax for lower paid...Starting rate of 10% on first £10,000 of somebodys wages. 20% on anything over £20,000. 30% on anything over £30,000. 40% on anything over £40,000. 50% on anything over £50,000.
60% on anything over £60,000.

2 Renationalise the public transport system.
Cut fares and increase capacity.

3 Introduce a maximum wage in the Public and Voluntary sector £70,000.
( For a time limited period doctors would have to be exempt.

4 50% super tax on all advertising.

5 Increase road taxes and petrol.

6 Replace the House of Lords with a second chamber diorectly elected by proportional representation.

7 Stop the recruitment of skilled workers from poorer nations unless companies pay reparations to those nations.

8 Support International Labour rules to ensure that multinationals are obliged to improve the wages and conditions of workers in poorer countries.

9 Bring in a National Labour Scheme. 50% of people presently languishing in UK prison cells would instead be asked if they would prefer to work.
Young unemployed people and those who come in early contact with the Criminal justice system would also be obliged to become part of the NLS..

10 Improve food in schools and hospitals.

11 Referendum of privatising the monarchy.

12 Referendum on Capital punishment.

13 Reform of the Benefits system increasing benefits that dont stop people from working and allowing people on JSA,IB etc to gradually move into work without immediately losing benefits.

14 Increasing the minimum wage for all larger companies who employ over 100 people.

15 Shoot 100 top celebrities voted for by the great british public.

Can you stand in my constituency?

 

[tbaldwin]

you forgot to renationalise gas and electric have you got shares in EDF or somthing? htf can you change society with out renationalising energy

rggggggggggajjjajjjjrhhhhhh

I would be in favour of that as well brassic....Can i make you minister for really pissing off the greedy energy companies?

 

[tbaldwin]

Can you stand in my constituency?

Only if they let me out on day release!

Seriously though i think it is good if people debate about the kind of manifesto they think is needed to challenge the main parties.
Something that could get popular support. Its important that all of us who want a better world think about gaining popular support and making it happen.

 

[tbaldwin]

Combined with a strange refusal to campaign on things that affect large numbers of the worst-off in society: such as the abolition of the low-rate tax, soaring food prices, the welfare reform act and so forth. A deafening silence exudes from the left on all those.

Thats why in a way the non cod left needs to get its act together..Do you want to put a manifesto together. Think it would make interesting reading.

 

[Nigel]

I agree with everything you say Baldy.
Can I join ytour party?

 

[tbaldwin]

I agree with everything you say Baldy.
Can I join ytour party?

No go and write your own manifesto.

 

[Fez909]

I think it's a good start. There's a lot I agree with, even if it needs fine-tuning.

I'm a bit ambivalent about capital punishment, though. I fear that if it were offered, it would be voted in by the public. And to not offer the because of this - my fear due to opposition to capital punishment - would be undemocratic, maybe. Without it being brought up, however, I doubt it is something many people ever think about, and as such I would drop it from the manifesto.

People care about the other issues you have mentioned, but the only time I ever hear about capital punishment is when the media whip up a frenzy over the latest angel-faced pre-teen who gets murdered. I don't think that is an environment conductive to good judgement.

 

[Fez909]

Also, I think the in inheritance tax laws you proposed are too limited. Why not 100% of everything over a certain amount?

£500,000, even now, is a lot of money to earn simply due to accident of birth. The people who are left that much will likely have had a more unprivileged upbringing than most, and so presumably will be doing better in most areas of life (education, savings, job, property ownership, etc) than most.

 

[Fruitloop]

I don't actually think joe public would vote for capital punishment except in a trivially small number of cases. Sure a lot of people if you ask them in a survey whether some crimes are so horrible that they require the death penalty would say yes, but wouldn't really want it to become a mainstay of the judicial process.

Besides which, there's a pretty firm correlation between shit, illiberal places you wouldn't want to live, and number of executions per year.

 

[Steven Gill]

LOL I laughed at that as well, so someone on 20k would get 20k net and someone on 50k would get 25k net, how on earth would that incent people to better themselves? why on earth should someone go to uni and get themselves into debt for a position that pays peanuts over an unskilled job.

It's a MARGINAL tax rate, you only pay that percentage on the money earned over the threshold, you don't start losing half of all your income once you reach the 50% bracket only on income ABOVE the threshold. Hope that clears things up

 

[tbaldwin]

I don't actually think joe public would vote for capital punishment except in a trivially small number of cases. Sure a lot of people if you ask them in a survey whether some crimes are so horrible that they require the death penalty would say yes, but wouldn't really want it to become a mainstay of the judicial process.

Besides which, there's a pretty firm correlation between shit, illiberal places you wouldn't want to live, and number of executions per year.

I think your right. The UK public would be in favour of capital punishment only in the most extreme of cases. And i think that would be a good thing.

 

[tbaldwin]

Also, I think the in inheritance tax laws you proposed are too limited. Why not 100% of everything over a certain amount?

£500,000, even now, is a lot of money to earn simply due to accident of birth. The people who are left that much will likely have had a more unprivileged upbringing than most, and so presumably will be doing better in most areas of life (education, savings, job, property ownership, etc) than most.

Your right £500,000 is a hell of a lot of unearnt income.
Maybe ive become more Liberal in my old age.

The problems of the UK are deep and go back many generations. Inherited wealth has to be tackled as a prime cause of poverty and inequality. Just not sure if you can tackle it all in just one manifesto!!!!

 

[Fez909]

Also, I do like the idea of criminals being able to choose to work instead of a custodial sentence. Obviously for non-violent criminals, only.

I always imagined that this was something Community Service people do, but I have never seen it and have no idea if it's true; but how about going to the run down council estates in the towns you live in and doing a beautification-type project. Cut lawns, mend fences, paint houses, whatever...

 

[tbaldwin]

Also, I do like the idea of criminals being able to choose to work instead of a custodial sentence. Obviously for non-violent criminals, only.

I always imagined that this was something Community Service people do, but I have never seen it and have no idea if it's true; but how about going to the run down council estates in the towns you live in and doing a beautification-type project. Cut lawns, mend fences, paint houses, whatever...

Thanks i think that a lot of violent criminals would really benefit too.
I think giving people a choice of how to repay their debt to society etc...makes sense to me...If you take away all responsibility from people how do you expect them to act responsibly in the future?

 

[mk12]

I don't know how a family of a violent crime victim (eg rape, murder) would react to that proposal though.