Monkeynuts
Hello sailor
maomao2 said:
That's fine, let's cut the fares back to a similar sort of rate to any other city then, perhaps stick 15% London weighting on, then we can all be happy
No apologies for shouting at the deaf though
Taxi driving twats
- Thread starter zoltan
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That's fine, let's cut the fares back to a similar sort of rate to any other city then, perhaps stick 15% London weighting on, then we can all be happy
No apologies for shouting at the deaf though
tommers
Currently in investor / advisor mode.
"hello mate, will you take me to penge please?"
"no, sorry mate, I'm on my way home"
"ah, well, actually you have to take me on any journey I specify within a distance of 12 miles, or 20 from Heathrow, or up to one hour in duration"
"oh right! sorry sir. hop right in!"
I can see it now.
more likely to be
"piss off, einstein."
"no, sorry mate, I'm on my way home"
"ah, well, actually you have to take me on any journey I specify within a distance of 12 miles, or 20 from Heathrow, or up to one hour in duration"
"oh right! sorry sir. hop right in!"
I can see it now.
more likely to be
"piss off, einstein."
Monkeynuts
Hello sailor
tommers said:
No-one has claimed that this is a method for a successful trip home, just that the taxi drivers may be in the wrong.
The last line is probably about right though.
Monkeynuts said:
Yeah, I'm still not sure about London, there's similar regs for here but just cause means I don't want to go there and http://www.hse.gov.uk/violence/hslcasestudies/taxi.htm
is the main reason we don't have to go anywhere we don't want to.
If you live in some crack infested shit hole then I'm not going there you can moan about it on the internet all you like.
Monkeynuts
Hello sailor
FreddyB said:
Yes, because the entire region S of the river is a "crack infested shit hole". It's just something funny that being the other side of the Thames does for some reason...
The funniest bit is:
Interestingly, there is no mention of South London in the article.
There's no mention of anywhere in the article but if a driver feels unsafe he can refuse the job, now that could be a really cynical device to avoid a job for some other reason or genuinely not wanting to go to an area, either way, nothing you can do about it, not here at least. I'm not sure about London but I'd be very supprised if it was any different.
If you're after a cab and a hackney won't take you, call a private hire firm.
If you're after a cab and a hackney won't take you, call a private hire firm.
Monkeynuts
Hello sailor
Yes, but you're missing the point:
- TfL sets the fares
- in return, cab drivers (should) comply with the conditions
That's the deal.
It's not about safety. You could be going to Dulwich Village, Blackheath, wherever. They can't be arsed to take you as they want as easy a life as possible. They are able to do so because there is limited competition in the market; TfL guarantees them nice high fares and limits the number of licences that are granted, so protecting the market.
If they don't want to fulfil their side of the deal, then fine. Let's throw it open, remove the monopoly, remove the fare tariffs, deregulate it and let more people become cab drivers (subject to criminal record checks etc).
- TfL sets the fares
- in return, cab drivers (should) comply with the conditions
That's the deal.
It's not about safety. You could be going to Dulwich Village, Blackheath, wherever. They can't be arsed to take you as they want as easy a life as possible. They are able to do so because there is limited competition in the market; TfL guarantees them nice high fares and limits the number of licences that are granted, so protecting the market.
If they don't want to fulfil their side of the deal, then fine. Let's throw it open, remove the monopoly, remove the fare tariffs, deregulate it and let more people become cab drivers (subject to criminal record checks etc).
Monkeynuts said:
you read a bit of blurb on the internet and you think you know it all
That's not the deal here and certainly doesn't seem to be in London as the link I posted is concerned specifically with London, is where Zoltan was going a place that could be considered a high risk area?
Monkeynuts said:
Yep, 8 drivers sitting on rank look like they're making a killing mate, and mini cabs aren't subject to the same restirctions, phone one f you don't like it.
Monkeynuts
Hello sailor
FreddyB said:you read a bit of blurb on the internet and you think you know it all
No, I know very little about it but interestingly it was more than you. Depressing to see you conform to stereotype though.
FreddyB said:
No idea. The issue is that there is a blanket refusal to go south of the river when clearly only few areas are high risk.
FreddyB said:
I would put it to you that they obviously are doing well enough to turn down good fares, and be rude about it to boot.
I don't like it and I do phone minicabs. What I actually want to see, though, is the dismantling of a state-protected monopoly, fares the average person can afford and an end to this smugness and rudeness.
Monkeynuts
Hello sailor
Also, with regard to high risk areas, I can hardly think of a single place name or postcode that it would be fair to tar with the same brush. It might be sensible to avoid certain pockets but you can't write off whole areas, and the driver doesn't actually know which it is when he says "nah mate".
Monkeynuts
Hello sailor
No excuses at all then.- not rough
- relatively central; Zone 2 not SE99
- good chance of a return fare
Unless they think they can get a fare on the way back in or smell a hefty tip, it seems many cabbies would rather refuse the initial fare and sit on their arses in hope of future riches 
Nice work if you can get it 
I had a cabbie pull the cherry picking trick on me once at London City airport, pre the installation of the DLR. The next cabbie in the queue was livid when he figuired out why the first guy had refused me, which was that I 'only' wanted to go to Wapping. He wanted me to report the first guy to the Hackney carriage office as he had a bad reputation with the other drivers for this. Personally I feel the drivers should police themselves, rather than placing the onus on the passenger who often doesnt know the regs in the first place.
Re the OP, I'd be more interested in reporting the guy running the rank, he's obviously gone native and I assume part of his job is supposed to be keeping the cabbies in line. A bit of a contrast to JFK, there the guy running the rank outside arrivals went ballistic when our cabbie into Manhatten started humming and hawwing about accepting the fare on a family holiday. The controller threatened to have his JFK permit pulled on the spot unless he took us pdq. That was a fun ride into town
Nice work if you can get it I had a cabbie pull the cherry picking trick on me once at London City airport, pre the installation of the DLR. The next cabbie in the queue was livid when he figuired out why the first guy had refused me, which was that I 'only' wanted to go to Wapping. He wanted me to report the first guy to the Hackney carriage office as he had a bad reputation with the other drivers for this. Personally I feel the drivers should police themselves, rather than placing the onus on the passenger who often doesnt know the regs in the first place.
Re the OP, I'd be more interested in reporting the guy running the rank, he's obviously gone native and I assume part of his job is supposed to be keeping the cabbies in line. A bit of a contrast to JFK, there the guy running the rank outside arrivals went ballistic when our cabbie into Manhatten started humming and hawwing about accepting the fare on a family holiday. The controller threatened to have his JFK permit pulled on the spot unless he took us pdq. That was a fun ride into town
tommers said:
ie. in light traffic. It takes far longer during working hours and could be up to two hours at rush hour. So according to the rules that the shouty person above posted several times they were well within the rights to turn it down
closer than north london isn't it?
Depends where in North London. 40 minutes to Golders Green but you'd probably end up coming round the M25 if you wanted to get to Southgate or Enfield. Heathrow is North of the river btw.
Not one of three black cabs would take me from Shepherds Bush to Brixton around midnight on a Saturday night.
Each stopped and then drove off with an excuse, two to stop just yards down the road to pick up passengers with more desirable destinations. Got a street minicab instead (and probably saved £10). 
Each stopped and then drove off with an excuse, two to stop just yards down the road to pick up passengers with more desirable destinations. Got a street minicab instead (and probably saved £10).
They are a fucking prtected species - I live in twickenham which pisses them off big time from Heathrow as well as it's just too far to get back in time to skip having to go through the feeder park again and it';s too close for them to legally refuse on distance.
I don't normally need to use them at all (I prefer the 490) but they get so fucking annoyed I sometimes do it just to piss them off ...
(and how do you reckon it's £60 from Heathrow to SE London ???? It's fucking £30 from Heathrow to Twickenham ... )
I don't normally need to use them at all (I prefer the 490) but they get so fucking annoyed I sometimes do it just to piss them off ...
(and how do you reckon it's £60 from Heathrow to SE London ???? It's fucking £30 from Heathrow to Twickenham ...
)The wankers like people to believe that ... I've complained about loads in my time (when I had a warrant card I used not to show out until they got the arse about me ostensibly taking a note of their cab (and personal) badge numbers and then I pointed out they would be getting physically nicked very shortly if they didn't wind their fucking necks in.tommers said:
Got a couple of letters back from the Cab Office acknowledging the complaint and saying it was "noted".
Complain, complain, complain. And use licensed minicabs!
detective-boy said:They are a fucking prtected species - I live in twickenham which pisses them off big time from Heathrow as well as it's just too far to get back in time to skip having to go through the feeder park again and it';s too close for them to legally refuse on distance.
I don't normally need to use them at all (I prefer the 490) but they get so fucking annoyed I sometimes do it just to piss them off ...
(and how do you reckon it's £60 from Heathrow to SE London ???? It's fucking £30 from Heathrow to Twickenham ...
Don't you know any local minicab numbers? I used to live out Twickenham way, and had to fly in and out of Heathrow on a weekly basis. Only about £15 if I remember rightly.
Monkeynuts
Hello sailor
Hasn't he said he gets the bus?!
Yeah, I use them if I've planned ahead. But it's £20 or £25 with most of them now ...STFC said:
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