Tax return blues - would a bit of solidarity help?

Discussion in 'education & employment' started by billy_bob, Jan 8, 2015.

  1. billy_bob

    billy_bob contents may have settled during transit

    I said I wouldn't do it and I have - I've left the bloody thing till now.

    I was only partially self-employed during 2013-14, but I've no head for figures and finances and even the three months I've got to file for are enough to make me long for the blessed release from responsibility of early onset dementia.

    I thought a thread where I and fellow returnees could rant, whimper, and maybe even offer the odd bit of supportive advice to each other might help?

    On the bright side, in three weeks' time it'll be at least eleven months before the next time I realise I've left it all dangerously late, lost my HMRC login details, and kept woefully incomplete records of just about everything :facepalm:
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  2. cypher79

    cypher79 Banned Banned

    I know how you feel. I've got loads of paperwork and receipts here for my tax return, but I just can't be arsed/doing with it. I keep looking at it hoping it will go away......but it isn't :(
  3. billy_bob

    billy_bob contents may have settled during transit

    Have just realised I misunderstood the 'interest you have been paid' section, adding several hundred pounds to my calculated bill! Back to square one :mad:

    I suppose in fairness the process is about as simple as it could be, and most of the problems I have are caused by my own cretinousness. Still, they could have more £££ out of me if I spent less time doing this and more doing paid work.

    Thank god for the online forms, at least. I would have wasted about six paper copies by now.....
  4. bemused

    bemused Well-Known Member

    Urgh, I did mine the moment I was able and paid the tax man a substantial lump of cash only them to fine me a further £70 for not ticking one of their poorly label boxes.

    The online tax return system isn't user friendly.
  5. billy_bob

    billy_bob contents may have settled during transit

    That's a pretty steep rate per tick.

    I'm thinking it might be worth paying an accountant not to do it for me but just to talk me through the form next time (when it'll be a much bigger job because I'll have been self-employed for most of the year). I don't find the form too unfriendly - it's the wording of the questions themselves that throws me.
  6. Technically, I could file it now, as there is nothing to pay, but I'd like to get all the little bits and pieces done properly for my own peace of mind. So it's going to take a few more days before I can do this.
  7. purenarcotic

    purenarcotic Conveniently Pocket Sized

    I almost cried yesterday on the phone to hmrc when they told me I didn't need to fill one out and they could just make an adjustment on the system as I only did a short bit of sessional work before my job. The form I tried to fill in the day before nearly drove me to drink, it was awful. Good luck!
  8. billy_bob

    billy_bob contents may have settled during transit

    All done :cool:

    Didn't even get a nasty shock when I saw how much it reckoned I owe. Although that may just be the proof that I've done it wrong.....
  9. StoneRoad

    StoneRoad heckling from the back!

    Has anybody had the *delight* of using the 'phone helpline this year ?
    I *might* need it this year ................ one of the potential problems with the form when you do work that doesn't "fit" the system, although this may be OK - further study needed.
    No wonder tax accountants do so well.
  10. billy_bob

    billy_bob contents may have settled during transit

    I used the phone line a few times when I first registered and found them generally helpful, tbh. I know that's not everyone's experience. This is presumably the worst fortnight of the year to be trying to get any sense out of them, of course.
  11. cypher79

    cypher79 Banned Banned

    I finally got around to doing mine today, only to find that my login details are not being accepted :( so requested them, only to find that they send them by post and it takes a week! This is getting too close for comfort...
  12. pesh

    pesh Well-Known Member

    every time i add the numbers up i get a different total :facepalm:
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  13. purenarcotic

    purenarcotic Conveniently Pocket Sized

    I used the helpline the other day and found them really helpful. I had something that didn't fit the system and the lovely woman on the other end sorted it all out for me.
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  14. billy_bob

    billy_bob contents may have settled during transit

    I find the payment bit slightly disconcerting.

    It feels like the way it should work is, you fill the forms in and submit them, the system emails you a breakdown and what you owe and points you to exactly the right part of the site you need to be on to pay. I don't know if I went the long way round, but it felt like it took me several clicks to many and a detour through another bit of the site before I got to the right place. I did momentarily wonder whether it was legit or not....
  15. cesare

    cesare don't mourn, organise!

    On the feedback-on-our-beta-model-survey option, I said it would be helpful if they made it clear that it was a secure payment page because it wasn't obvious.
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  16. RubyToogood

    RubyToogood can't remember what goes here

    I got sent a surprise letter requesting me to fill in a tax return the other day. I don't know why, I'm all PAYE apart from a bit of interest which I think is taxed at source anyway. I haven't really kept records because I've never had to submit a tax return before in my life and also I've been extremely ill and am just returning to work. I haven't really done anything about it yet. The sum total of my achievements has been to find the letter after losing it.

    So it's all a bit fucked.
  17. billy_bob

    billy_bob contents may have settled during transit

    I guess it's because of the interest (there's a place on the form to declare this, even if it has already been taxed) - but I've been in the same position (no non-PAYE earnings except tiny amount of interest) in past years and was never asked to do a return for it. I'd ring them and check - good luck getting through at this point though....
  18. RubyToogood

    RubyToogood can't remember what goes here

    I probably need to find out how much interest I did earn... the bit of paper will be somewhere... <sigh>

    It might also be because I was working two jobs for a while. They seemed to deduct an unreasonably large amount for that retrospectively :mad:
  19. editor

    editor hiraethified

    I can't even begin to tell you how much I dread this yearly nightmare.
  20. billy_bob

    billy_bob contents may have settled during transit

    I found it easier to just ring the institution that paid me interest. I generally don't understand bits of paper sent to me by banks etc.....
  21. DexterTCN

    DexterTCN Official Twitter Liaison Officer

    Have you phoned them and explained why there will be a delay so you can get an extension? Otherwise you will have to appeal a £100 late filing penalty - which is a lot more hassle and you may lose the appeal. 03002003310

    btw it's up to two weeks for those details to arrive.
  22. billy_bob

    billy_bob contents may have settled during transit

    Yep, I've heard, from others who've asked for extensions for far more complex reasons, that they're actually fairly easy to get - as long as you sort it with them before the deadline. After that they get a lot less nice.
  23. cypher79

    cypher79 Banned Banned

    I got a new user ID in the post yesterday and got my return done online today :)

    Safe for another year...
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  24. editor

    editor hiraethified

    I've made two piles of my bank statements. That's a start.
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  25. iamwithnail

    iamwithnail Well-Known Member

    Finally got this done. I'll admit that I bit the bullet and got an accountant to do mine, and it's STILL a stress, was looking over the forms and stuff last night, I have no idea where I'd even start with it. Respect to Everyone who's doing their own!
  26. rorymac

    rorymac Well-Known Member

    I did mine a couple of weeks ago and absolutely destroyed myself with honesty .. I'm just sharing that in an attempt to alleviate a personal sense of bereftness, confusion and abject misery and I apologise tbf. Oh my God it hurts !!

  27. DexterTCN

    DexterTCN Official Twitter Liaison Officer

    Does anyone ever consider doing it in June or July?
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  28. Looby

    Looby Well-Known Member

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  29. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Whatever it is, I'm against it

    I did it before christmas once. Felt pretty shit hot about that.
  30. Looby

    Looby Well-Known Member

    People that claim tax credits have to do it before July so I guess that gets some into the habit of doing it early.

    I'm the queen of procrastination but if I was paying payments on account/not sure what I was going to have to pay then I think I'd do it early. Probably easier to find the paperwork in April than January anyway as it might not be completely buried.

    Also, if you're likely to need help from HMRC, trying to get in touch this week is ridiculous.

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