Tax and Tax Credit Fraud

Discussion in 'education & employment' started by DexterTCN, Aug 9, 2018.

  1. DexterTCN

    DexterTCN Well-Known Member

    We are having a concerning amount of trouble with fraud...it appears that they (the conmen) have enough details to realistically impersonate HMRC employees. They also send letters that look 100% real but have payment slips with different bank account numbers.

    They have 0300 phone numbers, they know your reference numbers and they know your current bill.

    Until this is sorted I would suggest refusing to pay if anyone calls or writes to your company (or self-employed self or tax credit overpayments) claiming to be HMRC and then call us only on the numbers I'm listing here to confirm and discuss. Please keep these for reference.

    PAYE: 0300 200 3859
    SA: 0300 322 7823
    VAT: 0300 200 3838
    CT: 0300 322 7831
    TC: 0300 322 7832 (tax credits)

    Best wishes.
     
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  2. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt Dyslexic King Cnut the Great.

    How is that possible, without a data breach from HMRC? :hmm:
     
  3. Chilli.s

    Chilli.s changed the little words

    Isn't that some sort of crime now? Leaking confidential data.
     
  4. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    So the fraud will happen by people phoning the number given on the letter and making the payment over the phone or is it a dodgy website address given?
     
  5. friedaweed

    friedaweed Sitting down for a wee

    :D Yeah you would sat that yer conman.;);) You nearly got me there. i was just about to ring the VAT number:oops:
     
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  6. Supine

    Supine Rough Like Badger

    Should those numbers be on here?
     
  7. DexterTCN

    DexterTCN Well-Known Member

    100% correct and for the public :)
     
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  8. ricbake

    ricbake working out how

    So are those the bad numbers or the ones people SHOULD ring?
     
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  9. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt Dyslexic King Cnut the Great.

    Read the OP, they are the legit numbers.
     
  10. DexterTCN

    DexterTCN Well-Known Member

    The number in my post are copied directly from HMRC and are the only numbers to use if you want to discuss payments, payment delays, time to pays etc.
     
  11. stuff_it

    stuff_it stirred the primordial soup

    Wouldn't frauding HMRC when you're on tax credits mean you'd have to in fact give them money? :confused:
     
  12. Looby

    Looby Well-Known Member

    If scammers are pretending to be HMRC then people with tax credit overpayments could be targeted.
     
  13. DexterTCN

    DexterTCN Well-Known Member

    Not really. It is possible of course and I did post the TC number to be fair but people with TC overpayments don't generally have the means to make large card pymts via the bank or over the phone so (these) criminals would be wasting resources targeting them.

    TC claimants should always be wary just like everyone else but I was a bit hasty with that part and wouldn't want them to worry.

    Just use the numbers I posted and it's all good.
     
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  14. kebabking

    kebabking Unfettered ambition

    My old boy has had a letter from the DWP about his state pension entitlement that just doesn't look right - it doesn't ask for money, infact it says they owe him money - but it doesn't contain the stock DWP phrases, it doesn't say when they'll pay him, it doesn't tell him he needs to do anything, it just smells wrong...
     
  15. Schmetterling

    Schmetterling I saw something nasty in the woodshed!

    DexterTCN
    I have had a letter which I have been shitting myself over. I had forgotten about this thread but have now had a good look at all letters.
    The latest letter lists a different bank (Barclays), sort code, and account no to the one listed in previous letters (Santander). Is that normal?
    It has a slightly different phone no., too.
     
  16. alex_

    alex_ Well-Known Member

    Hmrc have their own sort code.

    Alex
     
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  17. DexterTCN

    DexterTCN Well-Known Member

    Unless it is for VAT the account number and sort codes should either be...

    12001039 - 083210 or
    12001020 - 083210

    As I mentioned the current fake letters also have 0300 numbers.

    What's the phone number? I'll check it on Monday.
     
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  18. Smangus

    Smangus comatose at a desk

    go to the hmrc website for payment details etc if in doubt. they also have a facility for reporting suspected frauds I will post details tomorrow.
     
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  19. DexterTCN

    DexterTCN Well-Known Member

    gov.uk
     
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  20. Smangus

    Smangus comatose at a desk

  21. Schmetterling

    Schmetterling I saw something nasty in the woodshed!

    Well, I am paying off a debt by direct debit so account/sort code may be different. (I know, I know; I fucked up buuuut the situation was also made worse by an extremely bad cash flow).

    Details on genuine letter
    0300 200 3824
    Santander, 25-03-49, 225 0349

    Details on, hopefully (though it somehow makes sense), fake letter
    Barclays
    0300 123 1813
    Barclays, 25-03-57, 63464695

    Thank you for helping. I am not stupid but I do find the many letters and calculations one receives hard to understand.
     
  22. Schmetterling

    Schmetterling I saw something nasty in the woodshed!

    Update: it was a genuine letter but an automatically triggered one, the sum of which was already included in the previous debt calculation. I won’t hijack this thread any further with the details, suffice it to say that I am budgeting a higher sum than I will probably need to pay for the current tax year, just to be safe.

    Thank you for your offer of help in checking the phone numbers, DexterTCN.

    Edited as I had tagged the wrong forum member.
     
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  23. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt Dyslexic King Cnut the Great.

    I was about to ask, did I? :hmm: :D
     
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  24. Schmetterling

    Schmetterling I saw something nasty in the woodshed!

    Just take the credit, anyway. ;)
     
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  25. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt Dyslexic King Cnut the Great.

    The tax credit?
     
  26. Schmetterling

    Schmetterling I saw something nasty in the woodshed!

    No, the credit for ‘helping’.
     
  27. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt Dyslexic King Cnut the Great.

  28. StoneRoad

    StoneRoad heckling from the back!

    I so wish that HMRC still had face to face offices.
    The paye system for employers is a massive mess.

    One provided official programme calculates you owe £"X" for the current month.
    OK, go to BACS and send "X" (the correct amount goes from bank account)
    Look at HMRC to see if "X" has been received, nothing shows for Z time.
    Nope, an amount "Y" has been put against last month, not the current month.
    Rinse and repeat.
    So far this year, only the first month has had "X" in all locations, all the remainder have had various "Y" amounts shown as received.
    This happened all through last year as well, and one month this year the "X" was credited against last year ...

    Repeated phone calls - when not stuck in a queue - have not solved the situation.
    Steadily loosing the will to continue ...
     
  29. DexterTCN

    DexterTCN Well-Known Member

    ETMP/RTI?

    Yup.
     

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