Tasty vegan sandwiches

[story]

Quorn... I'm amazed by this stuff.

I'm amazed it counts as food at all.

Lots of info at Wikipedia

 

[Shandril19]

I've never heard that cited as a veggie concept, let alone a basic-level one.

What do you mean by secondary processing?

I'm with you. The base-level veggie concept is that it should have no meat in it.

After that, worries about amount of processing, artificial ingredients, manner of growing, etc are secondary and extremely individual to the vegetarian.

 

[rennie]

I hate Quorn. bluuugh.

 

[pogofish]

I've never heard that cited as a veggie concept, let alone a basic-level one.

What do you mean by secondary processing?

Its been there in everything I've ever read.

The variety of industrial processes that turn shite into something apparently edible - the sort of thing that has devalued so much modern food production of any sort.

 

[hiccup]

Its been there in everything I've ever read.

Any links/references?

The variety of industrial processes that turn shite into something apparently edible - the sort of thing that has devalued so much modern food production of any sort.

So you wouldn't class most industrial bread as vegetarian?

 

[mr steev]

Its been there in everything I've ever read.

Have you any links? The only time I can think of the processing being part of the vegetarian concept is with Ital food for rastas.

I am in no way bigging up Quorn or processed food (far from it) but I have never heard of this being part of the vegetarian ethos.
As Shandrill says "The base-level veggie concept is that it should have no meat in it." Processed food is another thing all together imo

eta: would secondary processing include removing husks from pulses?

 

[Cid]

Roast red peppers, courgette and aubergine with some garlic and a little olive oil, add to toasted ciabatta and put some houmos on if you want and drizzle some lemon and olive over it. Easy.

 

[pogofish]

Any links/references?

So you wouldn't class most industrial bread as vegetarian?

Try that Wikipedia link above, you will find the form of food was considered important right back to Janist days. IIRC, the Vegetrian society made much of "natural healthy food" on its website.

Since the adoption of the Chorleywood Baking Process for most UK industrial bread production, bread can't reliably be considered veggie either - mainly due to the hard fats & enzymes involved. In fact, it can't even be considered bread as it dosen't go through anything like a normal raising & proving period. Instead, they rely on the hard fats & a high-speed mixer to get the texture.

Equally, the Bulk Fermentation process used for Quorn owes much more to industrial pharmaceuticals & biological warfare (It was invented at Porton Down) than it does to baking.

 

[wtfftw]

I've taken all gaijingirls recipes.
I don't have a food processor but I'm fine with chunky...

 

[hiccup]

The wikipedia article doesn't explicitly link not eating overly processed food with vegetarianism though.

Not disagreeing that modern processed food can be awful stuff, just not sure you can say that vegetarianism = rejecting it.

 

[mr steev]

Try that Wikipedia link above, you will find the form of food was considered important right back to Janist days. IIRC, the Vegetrian society made much of "natural healthy food" on its website.

That Wikipedia link is about Quorn... I'm asking where minimal secondary processing is a basic level veggie concept.

IIRC, the Vegetrian society made much of "natural healthy food" on its website.

and they also aprove Quorn as being vegetarian

 

[mr steev]

The wikipedia article doesn't explicitly link not eating overly processed food with vegetarianism though.

Not disagreeing that modern processed food can be awful stuff, just not sure you can say that vegetarianism = rejecting it.

exactly

 

[wtfftw]

Could also have a look at the recipes on vegweb

 

[Greta]

I've taken all gaijingirls recipes....

As have I. Thank you, thank you, thank you gajingirl!

 

[wtfftw]

As have I. Thank you, thank you, thank you gajingirl!

! I've just looked over my post and neglected to say 'thanks'!

So thank you!

 

[acfj]

smoked tofu

Smoked Tofu, Sweet Chilli Jam, Lettuce, Mixed & Alfalfa Sprouts

quorn sucks, pot noddles

 

[subversplat]

My favourite sarnie goes as thus:

Wholemeal bread with soya spread, thin coating of marmite, sliced mushrooms, sliced tomato, watercress, baby spinach, rocket, bit of cracked black pepper to taste.

Is tasty, substantial and nutritious

 

[pogofish]

I'm asking where minimal secondary processing is a basic level veggie concept.


and they also aprove Quorn as being vegetarian

Read almost any veggie diet, what are the foods they tell you to minimise/avoid?

eg:

What to avoid:
1. Foods and beverages containing refined sweeteners, chemical dyes, synthetic flavorings or seasonings, refined oils, chemical preservatives.

2. Foods and beverages grown with chemical insecticides, herbicides, fungicides, chemical fertilizers, produced by bio-engineering, or grown under hot-house conditions.

As for them approving it. They only dealt with the egg issue, not the production method. A bit of a sidestep IMO as their sticking-point for approval was that the eggs used in Quorn should only be from free-range sources!

They also approve Burger King, Dalepack & Linda McCartney products. All firms who are to varying degrees, the absolute anathema of veggie. Although McCartney has got better since Heinz took them over & removed the hard fats from much of their range.

 

[subversplat]

But chemicals make things yum

Anyway, a lot of veggie recipe sites try to cater for both the ethical and the health concious vegetarian diner. I am the former and only negligably the latter. I want grease, fat and MSG, but I want it cruelty free

 

[fractionMan]

Veggies == not eating meat.

Fussy veggies == not eating anything invented after 1900

 

[mr steev]

Read almost any veggie diet, what are the foods they tell you to minimise/avoid?

Read almost any book on healthy diets and they will say the same. But that has got nothing to do with being vegetarian.

Vegetarian means a diet that does not include meat fish or poultry.

Whilst I agree that processed food is not a good way, it doesn't make you any less of a vegetarian if you eat it (as long as it is meat-free)

People are veggie for many reasons

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Olive Tapenade

20 pitted Kalamata olives, coarsely chopped
1 Tbsp rinsed, drained, and chopped capers
1 tsp fresh lemon juice
2 tsp olive oil
Fresh cracked black pepper


Combine Kalamata olives, capers, lemon juice, olive oil and pepper. Mix well. Refrigerate and use within two weeks.

 

[story]

I sounds to me as if Pogofish is talking more about a wholefood diet (if you'll pardon the assumption, Pogofish...) And I believe that most advocates of a wholefood diet tend towards vegetarianism.

Wholefood diets are as close to the original, whole food source as possible - no additives, preservatives, E numbers etc. No secondary processing, which means (I always thought) that it has not been used as an ingredient of some other finished food product; hulling, pressing, drying, and so on are primary processing, I believe.

Adherents will steer clear of most things that have been through some sort of cooking process before getting to the store.

And here are more thanks to Gajingirl.
Thankyouthankyouthankyou

 

[Mrs Magpie]

I used to like good dense wholemeal bread with proper peanut butter (none of that SunPat shite), honey and blood orange segments arranged on top...it's not a sarnie though because there's no bread on top.

 

[lynne8]

I used to like good dense wholemeal bread with proper peanut butter (none of that SunPat shite), honey and blood orange segments arranged on top...it's not a sarnie though because there's no bread on top.

That's unusual, but it sounds really good!!

 

[Fuchs66]

Equally, the Bulk Fermentation process used for Quorn owes much more to industrial pharmaceuticals & biological warfare (It was invented at Porton Down) than it does to baking.

Eh???? Beer and wine production relies on bulk fermentation too, parties must be really kicking at your house.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Hang on pogofish...I though Quorn was made from a Fusarium fungus that grows under turf.....they called it a 'mycoprotein' because the word 'Fusarium' is usually followed by the word 'wilt' by gardeners.

http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/3000/3122.html

 

[DrRingDing]

Baba ghanoush (serves 8)

2 aubergines
1 cloves garlic, crushed
100g tahini
4-5 tbsp lemon juice
1½ tsp salt
3 tbsp fresh flat-leaf parsley, chopped

- prick aubergines several times with a fork, then cook at 220°C for about 40 minutes, until soft

I fucking love baba ganoush

To get the best flavour out your aubergines is whack them straight onto a gas flame on your hob and cook them until they are thoroughly burnt.

If you haven't got gas grill them until they look really fucked.

...and dont be worried about a bit of the skin getting into the ganoush as it will add more flavour.

If you demand even more smokiness you should garnish you dip with a pretentious sprinkling of smoked paprika

Get the fuck in

 

[DrRingDing]

In my vegan phase I would often make wholemeal pita sandwiches with falafels hummous/baba ganoush and a cous cous salad when out and about.

It was pretty fucking good IMO.

 

[pogofish]

Hang on pogofish...I though Quorn was made from a Fusarium fungus that grows under turf

It is but in an utterly industrial process, then the whole lot is processed again in order to make it safe for consumption - only then can it begin to be processed into something edible tho.