Tablighi Jamaat's plan for east London mega-mosque

[sayjann3]

So its the asians, the Africans and the Jamaicans that you don't like.

Anyone else?

Apart from the mexicans who I havent mentioned, Mexicans SUCK

Apart from the aforementioned I like everyone else. I love the Chinese, Japanese, Malay, most of SE Asia to be precise, Northern Europeans, Koreans. They are all great, polite people..

I dont know anybody that be mugged by a Jap in London

Hey blagsta do you want me to do my top ten best tippers, according to nationality and race????


sj

Telling it like it is!

 

[Blagsta]

Yeah go on.

 

[sayjann3]

What about money grabbing people with no organised caste system. Or, in general?

Its the caste system that gets me, 2 milion dalats protested in Bombay last month.. did the elite Brahman caste listen, of course they didnt...

Get out there and see for yourself, I did.

SJ

Telling it like it is

 

[sayjann3]

Yeah go on.

In order of best tippers......

1/Americans

2/Japanese

3/English ( White working class)

4/Irish

5/Germans

6/Scandanavian People

7/ Arabs

8/ French

9/ Black British

10/ Asian .. Indian /pakistani

Viola

SJ

 

[Blagsta]

...and?

 

[JoePolitix]

All cab drivers are narrow minded petit bourgeois assholes

Well VP, I was talking to a Ugandan chap last week in my cab...

That's all I need to know. If you've done "the knowledge" why are you such an ignorant moron?

 

[Aldebaran]

For people interested in the subject of the thread ... I had some more time today to write something on it.

Tablighi Jamaat officially is a non-political, non-militant, radicalist movement.
Just like so many other sects and movements they declare themselves to be the “true followers of Islam” (Nothing new there but I don't think this to be the place to discuss that claim) and all Muslims who don’t follow their call are declared to be astray of the right path. Hence soon one of the main objectives of the movement became “re-conversion” of Muslims all over the world.
Calling Muslims to pray five times a day can hardly be criticized... But I once heard someone call them “the Jehova Witnesses of the Muslim World” and in my view that is not that much besides the point.

Since we are talking about their activities in the UK... For Muslims in Europe (I can't speak for the USA or other Western nations) approached by members of this movement, this proselytising has a few particular marks and consequences.
To encourage the men to abandon Western-style dress code and start wearing trousers and a long tunic is at first sight rather innocent, but nevertheless even that holds - in my view - a hidden message: Makes them stand out of Western society, expressing a want to disconnect with it.
For as far as I can see, the real opportunity with Western Muslims for movements like Tablighi Jamaat came with the economical crisis in Europe (from the mid-seventies on at least. I recall that I saw them in Europe already when I was a child.) Many immigrant Muslims lost their jobs. It meant they immediately also lost their status of head of the family. Islam commands men to provide for all the needs of their family, so it is not only a question of “honour and position”. For them such a movement provided for an instrument to regain their -perceived - lost position: They got reassured that they still were the most important members of their family, while women - more or less, I’m generalising for the sake of staying concise - had to concentrate on the role of motherhood and housekeeping. The message explained in a simple language made it accessable to everyone.
Contact with non Muslims is very much disapproved of, women need to wear hijab or preferably a veil up to niqab and even better is to avoid every contact with strange men. (I assume many of the current “veil cases” in the UK to be influenced by this movement)

An other field of proselytising are prisons: I know for a fact that in Belgium their members visit Muslim prisoners regularly, up to once a week. They ask them to pray together and -of course - to become a follower. The official comment is that many “convert” and become “a devote Muslim” (= what counts for them as a devote Muslim) and hence when they are released, they stop with whatever criminal activity they formerly were occupied with.
Leaving aside the dubious parts of the teachings, it is difficult to have objections against a criminal becoming a normal member of his society.
The other side of the coin however seems to be that prisons thus can become a feeding ground for more dangerous extremism (this I heard from contacts with State Security, observing the movement since many years).
It seems the Tablighi movement skilfully abuses the precarious position of prisoners. They are imprisoned and at some point feel they are a failure. Someone, a fellow Muslim - and one who obviously is a very devoted Muslim at that - comes with the message it is not their fault that they got there, but the fault of the Western society they live in with its humiliation and discrimination of Muslims.
The same tactics are applied to other, mostly young Muslims. Especially since 9/11 one can’t deny that islamophobia and discrimination towards Muslims exists everwhere.

Gong on this example I suppose their method is somewhat the same everywhere. Like with every radicalist group the radicalisation itself holds a risk for those who commit themselves to it, in the sense that it can provide some people with a first step on the road towards membership of a truly terrorist organisation, or its ideas.
Of course it is a long way from becoming a member of such a movement towards recruitment by a terrorist group, but it is in my view always an open question if, and at which point, membership of a radical movement was the basis of such extremist thinking that it leads to a commitment to terrorism.

salaam.

 

[Blagsta]

That's all I need to know. If you've done "the knowledge" why are you such an ignorant moron?

I don't believe he really is a cab driver. I think he's just a trolling prick.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Viola

SJ

Interesting choice of name...Where did 'Sayjann' come from?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Well VP, I was talking to a Ugandan chap last week in my cab, I asked him about the Indians. We had a topic in common, HE said they were chucked out of Uganda because they took the piss.

So, on the evidence of one "chap", rather than on the evidence of, for example, Ugandan academics who've studied Obote and Amin's regimes, you've unilaterally decided that "Indians" were removed from Uganda because they "took the piss"?
You must be a conman's dream you're so suggestible.

Your being so meely mouthed. Calling someone a racist is a tactic to win an argument.

No, calling someone a racist isn't "a tactic to win an argument", it's a definition of a person based on their expressed position on matters of race.

I couldnt give a toss...

And yet you spend the time necessary to invent a specious argument about how calling someone a racist is a debating tactic. Hmmm.

...every culture on this planet is racist to an extent.

I'm not talking about a culture. I'm talking about an individual. You.

My god look at Shilpa Shetty the pugnacious Indian snob, she appeared "blacked" up... my god how primitive is that.. Even I would baulk at that and I like to take the piss out of everybody.. compared to Shilpa Shetty I am like Lee Jasper of the GLA or whatever Quango the loser is in now..

There's a line from Shakespeare that goes something like "..a tale told by an idiot, all sound and fury, signifying nothing". I think it pretty much describes your last paragraph, don't you agree?

VP without being too personal like you have been with me, I suggest you get a passport and see a bit of the world.

Mmmm, let's see. France, Germany, Spain, Bulgaria, Ukraine, USA, Trinidad and Tobago, Morocco, Turkey and Israel enough passport stamps for you (Spain and Morocco were holidays)?
Are you familiar with the old saw about people who make assumptions, Mr "Telling it like it is"?

People on this board like you slag off English people, slag off the UK police, go to other countries and see how they are, see how their police are, you lot would be cry babies.

As far as I'm aware there aren't any "people like me" on this board, but then, unlike you, I'm not into the whole categorisation thing.

SJ

Telling it like it is

Shouldn't that be "Talking out of his arse"?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Its the caste system that gets me, 2 milion dalats protested in Bombay last month.. did the elite Brahman caste listen, of course they didnt...

Get out there and see for yourself, I did.

SJ

Telling it like it is

That's "Dalits".

By the way, you do realise that a goodly percentage of the East African Asians (the ones you keep referring to as "Indians" and blaming for everything bar bubonic plague) weren't actually Hindus, don't you, and so couldn't be part of the "money grabbing people who have an organised cast [sic] system"?

 

[Monkeynuts]

This has got to be some sort of piss take?

A sort of bad taste, cabbie version of Pub Landlord?

 

[amatis]

Aldebaran: interesting post, thanks.
Your comment about Belgium and Antwerpen in the other thread were spot on. What's your connection with my city and my country?

 

[editor]

Well VP, I was talking to a Ugandan chap last week in my cab, I asked him about the Indians.

Yeah, sure, right.

This guy - and his never ending supply of prejudice confirming cab customers - has to be on a wind up.

 

[Streathamite]

well, if he's genuine, he's mr numbah one racist

 

[FridgeMagnet]

*looks in on thread at random*

Bloody hell! Who's this racist?

 

[ViolentPanda]

well, if he's genuine, he's mr numbah one racist

Ah, but apparently actually calling someone who has voiced racist sentiments a "racist" isn't valid, it's just a tactic to win an argument, according to the sad racist taxi-driver.

 

[ViolentPanda]

*looks in on thread at random*

Bloody hell! Who's this racist?

One of Jim Davison's numerous illegitimate offspring, going by the unfunny shite he's coming out with.

 

[nick1181]

In order of best tippers......

1/Americans
<snip>
10/ Asian .. Indian /pakistani

Viola

SJ

Not my experience - when I was a travelling salesman in The Midlands/Yorkshire I always looked forward to delivering stuff to Indian customers because they'd invite me in and feed me.

When I crashed my van in the BT carpark at Wembley the white people stood back and heckled - the only people that tried to help were Indian.

I've liked the Indian people I've known. I think you're missing out mate.

 

[Treacle Toes]

One of Jim Davison's numerous illegitimate offspring, going by the unfunny shite he's coming out with.

Even funnier that his username sounds/looks Asian...

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

I thought Harrow was like mega posh.

 

[suga-sal]

Can't we build mega hospitals instead of all this religious bollocks?

How bloody rude...

 

[sayjann3]

I thought Harrow was like mega posh.

Good morning, it used to be. Now its a dump and every English person I know there wants to move out, where to I dont know.

SJ

 

[subversplat]

Whoever sets up a pub across the road from that mosque will make a killing

 

[ViolentPanda]

I thought Harrow was like mega posh.

Bits of it still are, most of it hasn't been since before Tony Benn took up pipe-smoking.

 

[ViolentPanda]

How bloody rude...

Really?

Why?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Good morning, it used to be. Now its a dump and every English person I know there wants to move out, where to I dont know.

SJ

What, no diatribes against evil Asians, Mr "I'm not a racist but..."?

 

[JHE]

Whoever sets up a pub across the road from that mosque will make a killing

Or receive one?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Or receive one?

Right, because that happens all the time, doesn't it?

You need to stop eating Stilton half an hour before bedtime.

 

[Yossarian]

The Indo bar directly across from the East London Mosque is still going strong, with no murders or anything - as is the synagogue directly behind the mosque...