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Tablighi Jamaat's plan for east London mega-mosque

Crispy said:
Do you not care or know that you're being offensive when you use the word Mohammedan? I don't particularly care myself, but just wondered why you use that particular word, as opposed to the more widely known (and more correct) "Muslim"

Of course he knows. He's been "pulled up" enough times about it.
 
Fullyplumped said:
Whatever else the Government does, it should put a Bill through Parliament banning donations from abroad to be spent on such projects.

This would prevent Lithuanian and Sierra Leonean religious extremists from planting their religious traditions in our country (it might also vaguely affect the habit of Saudi Arabian princes from spending billions on mosques in the UK, but that wouldn't be the main reason).

I think you'll find that the majority and minority religions of Sierra Leone and Lithuania are already planted here, ready for their extremists to start their wave of terror. :)
 
JHE said:
St Paul's obviously is one of the religious buildings intended to impress - and it does. Of course, when it was built this country was already infested with Christianity and had been for umpteen centuries before that.

But what is London to be in 50 or 100 years from now?

The term 'Londonistan' was invented by French security people to refer to London's infestation by radical Islamists, but it could also be taken as a prediction...

Hello JHE,

This is what worries me a great deal, I dont want London to become some sort of Islamic hub for Europe.

I travelled to Harrow this weekend to visit my aging parents. The muslim community are building a huge mosque opposite the civic centre. By huge I mean 5 stories high.

Harrow will be like Wembley in 5 years, a total shit hole.

The politicians and some of the people can say what they like, but this unfettered immigration is fucking up London completely.

SJ:(
 
JHE said:
I quite like St Paul's and some other Wren stuff.

I preferred his early stuff - before he became famous. Had more of an edge to it. That latter stuff is a bit to commercialised for my tastes.
 
sayjann3 said:
Hello JHE,

This is what worries me a great deal, I dont want London to become some sort of Islamic hub for Europe.

I travelled to Harrow this weekend to visit my aging parents. The muslim community are building a huge mosque opposite the civic centre. By huge I mean 5 stories high.

Harrow will be like Wembley in 5 years, a total shit hole.

The politicians and some of the people can say what they like, but this unfettered immigration is fucking up London completely.

SJ:(

That ought to get people's racism-radar twitching.
 
Monkeynuts said:
Well... Wembley is a bit of a shithole...;)

True, but it was a bit of a shithole before Asians settled there.

As for the idea that a "5 stories [sic] high" mosque is going to make Harrow any more of a tip than it has been for the last 50 years or so, I find that a bit hard to swallow. :)

I mean, lets not kid ourselves, out that far in N. and N.W. London, most of the 20th century housing is built around industrial developments of Victorian and Edwardian vintage, and hardly the epitome of architectural artifice. :D

(BTW, I should own up. I'm South London-centric :) )
 
ViolentPanda said:
True, but it was a bit of a shithole before Asians settled there.

As for the idea that a "5 stories [sic] high" mosque is going to make Harrow any more of a tip than it has been for the last 50 years or so, I find that a bit hard to swallow. :)

I mean, lets not kid ourselves, out that far in N. and N.W. London, most of the 20th century housing is built around industrial developments of Victorian and Edwardian vintage, and hardly the epitome of architectural artifice. :D

(BTW, I should own up. I'm South London-centric :) )

It shows how much you know about London, Wembley was a place people visited for day trips..

I am in my 30's, my grandmother used to take me to Wembley for a treat.

When Idi Amin chucked the South Asians out of Uganda and Brent Council in their wisdom opted to house them in Wembley the area has turned in to the pits. The Jews and decent English moved out, the Indians descended. The areas now is a shit hole, the Indians have sub divided the properties, swooping down like the opportunists they are, turning the area in to bed sit land before returning to their lofty perch...

This is one area which I have in common with the Africans, the Indians are opportunist w**kers.. Totally greedy ...


SJ
 
Crispy said:
I can't pin down this Tablighi Jamaat group though - a quick google tells me conflicting information. Anyone with experience/knowledge of these guys?

If you leave out the typical US tone and fear mongering, this is a good article to explain its origins.

http://www.meforum.org/article/686

It is true that they are not even known all too well among scholars. Personally I have nothing much on them, but my main objection to this sect is that they seem to focus very much on proselytising. Proselytising is in violation of Al Qur'an.

salaam.
 
Crispy said:
Do you not care or know that you're being offensive when you use the word Mohammedan? I don't particularly care myself, but just wondered why you use that particular word, as opposed to the more widely known (and more correct) "Muslim"
JHE can't help himself to use such archaic terminology, which at best makes him look out of touch with the course of history and with Modern Times :)

For some explanation see :

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/search.php?searchid=2178468

Sorry, only a general link on search "Muhammedan".

There must be more posts on the subject but I'm out of time right now :)

salaam.
 
sayjann3 said:
The Jews and decent English moved out, the Indians descended.

This is one area which I have in common with the Africans, the Indians are opportunist w**kers.. Totally greedy ...
Ah. We have a scumbag racist in the house.

Don't get too comfy now.
 
sayjann3 said:
When Idi Amin chucked the South Asians out of Uganda and Brent Council in their wisdom opted to house them in Wembley the area has turned in to the pits. The Jews and decent English moved out, the Indians descended. The areas now is a shit hole, the Indians have sub divided the properties, swooping down like the opportunists they are, turning the area in to bed sit land before returning to their lofty perch...

This is one area which I have in common with the Africans, the Indians are opportunist w**kers.. Totally greedy ...


SJ

could you explain perhaps a little bit further.......? which party do you vote for?
 
sayjann3 said:
It shows how much you know about London, Wembley was a place people visited for day trips..
So all the local history books about the area are wrong and you are right?

yeah, right, course you are.
I am in my 30's, my grandmother used to take me to Wembley for a treat.
I'm in my mid forties. I was working in the area on building sites after leaving school when you were still a toddler.
When Idi Amin chucked the South Asians out of Uganda and Brent Council in their wisdom opted to house them in Wembley the area has turned in to the pits. The Jews and decent English moved out, the Indians descended. The areas now is a shit hole, the Indians have sub divided the properties, swooping down like the opportunists they are, turning the area in to bed sit land before returning to their lofty perch...

This is one area which I have in common with the Africans, the Indians are opportunist w**kers.. Totally greedy ...
You are a pathetic example of the species known as Homo Fuckwittus Racistii, a species whose most usual trait is the way they need a victim to rail against because otherwise they'd have to pay attention to their own inadequacies.

The Jews moved out for the same reason they did from Brixton and Fulham in the 1930s and 1940s, and from the East End in the 1960s and 1970s; so that those who wanted to could concentrate themselves in "Jewish" communities, and so that the rest of us could live in places that weren't defined as "Jewish".

I've heard filth like you're writing all my life, and I'll say the same thing to you as I said to Martin Webster, the leader of the NF in 1979. "People like you are scum, you're shit on the shoe of decent people, go fuck yourself".
 
DarthSydodyas said:
Damn those indian vermin! :mad:

The most hilarious and egregious accusation about those vermin that "the Indians have sub divided the properties", as if the landlord classes haven't sub-divided houses in every neighbourhood they've bought properties in long before we had either South Indian or East African Asian communities in this country.

I bet sayjann doesn't mind the white folk doing that though, that's just good business when Asians aren't involved.
 
ViolentPanda said:
The most hilarious and egregious accusation about those vermin that "the Indians have sub divided the properties", as if the landlord classes haven't sub-divided houses in every neighbourhood they've bought properties in long before we had either South Indian or East African Asian communities in this country.

I bet sayjann doesn't mind the white folk doing that though, that's just good business when Asians aren't involved.

Well, it's different though innit... after all areas like Notting Hill and Pimlico were lovely in the (pre-immigration) days when they were all carved up into bedsits:rolleyes:
 
Monkeynuts said:
Well, it's different though innit... after all areas like Notting Hill and Pimlico were lovely in the (pre-immigration) days when they were all carved up into bedsits:rolleyes:

:D

Reminds me of reading Clive Bloom's "Violent London" and Jerry White's "London in the Nineteenth Century: A Human Awful Wonder of God" and "The History of London in the Twentieth Century" which all go on at length about the historical squalor of Notting Hill and many other areas.
 
sayjann3 said:
It shows how much you know about London, Wembley was a place people visited for day trips..

I am in my 30's, my grandmother used to take me to Wembley for a treat.

When Idi Amin chucked the South Asians out of Uganda and Brent Council in their wisdom opted to house them in Wembley the area has turned in to the pits. The Jews and decent English moved out, the Indians descended. The areas now is a shit hole, the Indians have sub divided the properties, swooping down like the opportunists they are, turning the area in to bed sit land before returning to their lofty perch...

This is one area which I have in common with the Africans, the Indians are opportunist w**kers.. Totally greedy ...


SJ

Eh? I thought that the traditional view of Indians was "hardworking and enterprising" rather than "greedy"? Or maybe its the same thing?

Wasn't it the fact that they had done very well in Uganda that caused Idi Amin to throw them out? Because their success, hard work and business acumen put the locals to shame and enraged them?

Which opinion (of south Asians by blacks) still rankles periodically in the UK, like with the localised disturbances in Lozells the other year.

Giles..
 
ViolentPanda said:
So all the local history books about the area are wrong and you are right?

yeah, right, course you are.

I'm in my mid forties. I was working in the area on building sites after leaving school when you were still a toddler.

You are a pathetic example of the species known as Homo Fuckwittus Racistii, a species whose most usual trait is the way they need a victim to rail against because otherwise they'd have to pay attention to their own inadequacies.

The Jews moved out for the same reason they did from Brixton and Fulham in the 1930s and 1940s, and from the East End in the 1960s and 1970s; so that those who wanted to could concentrate themselves in "Jewish" communities, and so that the rest of us could live in places that weren't defined as "Jewish".

I've heard filth like you're writing all my life, and I'll say the same thing to you as I said to Martin Webster, the leader of the NF in 1979. "People like you are scum, you're shit on the shoe of decent people, go fuck yourself".


I am sorry to hear your view violent panda, everyone I know shares my view. I suggest you go and work for Indians if you love them so much.

Thats if they would employ you in the first place, Indians only ever employ Indians if they can help it. And when you do work for Indians they will screw you completely.

When the Evening Standard was compiling a list of the highest paid GP's in London low and behold they are all Indians, those guys are just milking the NHS dry... I good friend of mine is a medical rep,, the Indian GP try and get the medical reps to sponsor bullshit meetings, ie the UKPunjab medical charity and then they ask for a cheque... leave the payee area unsigned..

You guys on this board love Indians, you try working for them.

Idi Amin chucked then out as they were taking the piss out of the country and taking the piss out of the native Africans. The Indians make the jews look like generous spend thrifts..

Its not just the Africans who dont like Indians the Thais have a saying, if you come across a King Cobra or an Indian, you can trust the snake not the Indian...

SJ

I tell it like it is...
 
editor said:
Ah. We have a scumbag racist in the house.

Don't get too comfy now.


I'm not racist, what race are Indians?

I just dislike money grabbing people who have an organised cast system.

Anyway, I'm off to the Green Man on Riding House Street WC1 for a nice pint.

PS Violent Panda, I dont know any Martin Webster, I think all politics suck. They are all self serving pigs. Its not nice for you to say I am filth when you dont even know me. You will criticise anyone who says immigration is bad.

Just yesterday I had an 86 year old lady in my cab. Her one trip out is to go to a model/hobby shop, I collected her and waited for her. She was desperate for conversation. all her neighbours were foreigners, she had no interactiuon with them. And no before you say she is in the BNP of NF she wasnt.

She was a 86 year old lady who was lonely.

SJ

I tell it like it is
 
sayjann3 said:
I am sorry to hear your view violent panda, everyone I know shares my view. I suggest you go and work for Indians if you love them so much.
I've worked for and with Asians, and haven't experienced any problems.

Oh, and "love them so much"? Do you have to be so childish, even if you do have the mental age of a juvenile?
Thats if they would employ you in the first place, Indians only ever employ Indians if they can help it. And when you do work for Indians they will screw you completely.
Perhaps that's what happens to you because they apprehend that you're an unpleasant racist?
When the Evening Standard was compiling a list of the highest paid GP's in London low and behold they are all Indians, those guys are just milking the NHS dry... I good friend of mine is a medical rep,, the Indian GP try and get the medical reps to sponsor bullshit meetings, ie the UKPunjab medical charity and then they ask for a cheque... leave the payee area unsigned..
There's always "a good friend" somewhare in the background for racists like you, who have supposedly told you stories/
You guys on this board love Indians, you try working for them.
See above
Idi Amin chucked then out as they were taking the piss out of the country and taking the piss out of the native Africans. The Indians make the jews look like generous spend thrifts..
Ah, a closet anti-Semite as well.

Thanks for letting me know exactly here you're coming from.

BTW, Amin chucked out the entire East African Asian community, some of whom had been in Uganda for longer than there'd been a state of Uganda, and not because they "took the piss", but because he could expropriate all their money and goods, a trick he might have learned by reading mediaeval English history.
Its not just the Africans who dont like Indians the Thais have a saying, if you come across a King Cobra or an Indian, you can trust the snake not the Indian...

SJ

I tell it like it is...
Nah, you tell it as it suits your prejudices.
 
ViolentPanda said:
I've worked for and with Asians, and haven't experienced any problems.

Oh, and "love them so much"? Do you have to be so childish, even if you do have the mental age of a juvenile?

Perhaps that's what happens to you because they apprehend that you're an unpleasant racist?

There's always "a good friend" somewhare in the background for racists like you, who have supposedly told you stories/

See above

Ah, a closet anti-Semite as well.

Thanks for letting me know exactly here you're coming from.

BTW, Amin chucked out the entire East African Asian community, some of whom had been in Uganda for longer than there'd been a state of Uganda, and not because they "took the piss", but because he could expropriate all their money and goods, a trick he might have learned by reading mediaeval English history.

Nah, you tell it as it suits your prejudices.

Well VP, I was talking to a Ugandan chap last week in my cab, I asked him about the Indians. We had a topic in common, HE said they were chucked out of Uganda because they took the piss.

Your being so meely mouthed. Calling someone a racist is a tactic to win an argument.

I couldnt give a toss, every culture on this planet is racist to an extent. My god look at Shilpa Shetty the pugnacious Indian snob, she appeared "blacked" up... my god how primitive is that.. Even I would baulk at that and I like to take the piss out of everybody.. compared to Shilpa Shetty I am like Lee Jasper of the GLA or whatever Quango the loser is in now..

VP without being too personal like you have been with me, I suggest you get a passport and see a bit of the world.

People on this board like you slag off English people, slag off the UK police, go to other countries and see how they are, see how their police are, you lot would be cry babies.

SJ

Telling it like it is
 
sayjann3 said:
It shows how much you know about London, Wembley was a place people visited for day trips..

I am in my 30's, my grandmother used to take me to Wembley for a treat.

When Idi Amin chucked the South Asians out of Uganda and Brent Council in their wisdom opted to house them in Wembley the area has turned in to the pits. The Jews and decent English moved out, the Indians descended. The areas now is a shit hole, the Indians have sub divided the properties, swooping down like the opportunists they are, turning the area in to bed sit land before returning to their lofty perch...

This is one area which I have in common with the Africans, the Indians are opportunist w**kers.. Totally greedy ...


SJ

So its the asians, the Africans and the Jamaicans that you don't like.

Anyone else?
 
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