Synergy and Cooltan
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If I live in vauxhall constituency next time, I would break a Lifetime's commitment, and vote against labour and for Collins. As an MP, she's LOUSY.
And, mayhap, <wrenches thread back on-topic> we should give Synergy the benefit of the doubt?
And, mayhap, <wrenches thread back on-topic> we should give Synergy the benefit of the doubt?
steve indigenou
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Defamation, dialogue and the next Synergy
I have to say I agree with some of what is being said about all the pseduo-mystical rhetoric that surrounds trance parties. It's a bit of a shame that people get carried away when they think that rhetoric is a subtitute for substance as there is some real substance out there about how dance culture can facilitate a process of spiritual discovery. It's also a shame that Chakras get themselves a bad name by being overused as, of course, they originate in traditional chinese medicine, a body of knowledge that is thousands of years old.
Anyway, it's all a matter of taste really, and I can understand that for some the underground experience at Cooltan was a little more 'real' than that of an overground event such as Synergy. I too get a little frustrated with the pre-occupation with all things spiritual of some of my friends and colleagues, which is why Synergy is a deliberate effort to try and re-politicise the scene after years of stagnation.
Let's just state it for the record once again. Synergy does not seek to be Cooltan revisited, and has never claimed to. As Josef readily amits, it was mistake for him to say this and we all hope that his apology can be accepted. Synergy does seek to take inspiration from Cooltan - it's use of artistic media to communicate social and political messages, but do so in a way that engages the support of the mainstream, not alienate itself from it. It also seeks to learn important lessons from Cooltan and other related projects (Megaetripolis, the Warp etc).
This is where the alleged 'defmation' comes in. As someone rightly observed, having a decent amount of structure and organisation comes in very handy when dealing with charismatic yet at times unscrupulous individuals who have a tendency to try and dominate groups. For Shane Collins read Fraser Clark. This was the only reason why this was mentioned, and is one way in which Synergy will definitely NOT be Cooltan revisited or Ecotrip, Megatripolis, Return to the Source, the Warp revisited either.
Incidentally, in the wider activist circles, Shane has a very bad reputation for domineering behaviour. Which is why most people who work with him don't do so for long, as they end up feeling exploited and used. This is a repeated feature of the reports I have about Cooltan and were confirmed through my experiences with him in Ecotrip. Yes, he's ripped me off (more than once) and Synergy is, to a certain, extent, inspired by his dodgy and corrupt methods to implement a more ethical and sustainable alternative.
I think those arguing against Synergy are tearing apart a straw man very conveniently put up by Josef, rather than addressing the real issues. For people living in the Underground, £10 or £15 may be a lot, but it's not much given the price of a pint, a packet of cigs, an eighth of Skunk or whatever else people use to amuse themselves.
So maybe the time has come to suggest that Hatboy, Mike Slocombe and others might like to be on the guest-list for the next Synergy, which will be on Saturday Dec 13th. Then you can see for yourselves what it's like. Of course, it's not just trance, but a gallery hosted by the 491 Gallery, Hubble Hubble with the Turkish/Moroccan break-beats, a Conscious Cinema, a Healing-Chill (cue predictable contempt) and more besides.
[email protected]
ps
"What a fantastic night. What incredible decor; the amount of effort they put in rigging the main room alone was breathtaking. Great visuals, great music, great crowd, wonderful chillout spaces with magic carpets, and just so heartwarming going to an event where the promoters really care about their party rather than making a fast buck. I rarely have to pay to go to parties nowadays as I'm usually crewing in some capacity, but I paid my £15 for this and it was worth every flipping penny. I heard so many different live acts in the chill room that I'd never normally listen to, and fab things like the violinist playing over psytrance that were so different and exciting."
feedback about the last Synergy Project party on
http://www.psy-trance.co.uk/psyforum2003/index.php?showtopic=4130
The point is that £15 is actually really CHEAP for the massive production we put on, which is about 5 times what people get at parties charing as much if not more. As you will see if, and I mean if, you come along and put your opinions to the test.
I have to say I agree with some of what is being said about all the pseduo-mystical rhetoric that surrounds trance parties. It's a bit of a shame that people get carried away when they think that rhetoric is a subtitute for substance as there is some real substance out there about how dance culture can facilitate a process of spiritual discovery. It's also a shame that Chakras get themselves a bad name by being overused as, of course, they originate in traditional chinese medicine, a body of knowledge that is thousands of years old.
Anyway, it's all a matter of taste really, and I can understand that for some the underground experience at Cooltan was a little more 'real' than that of an overground event such as Synergy. I too get a little frustrated with the pre-occupation with all things spiritual of some of my friends and colleagues, which is why Synergy is a deliberate effort to try and re-politicise the scene after years of stagnation.
Let's just state it for the record once again. Synergy does not seek to be Cooltan revisited, and has never claimed to. As Josef readily amits, it was mistake for him to say this and we all hope that his apology can be accepted. Synergy does seek to take inspiration from Cooltan - it's use of artistic media to communicate social and political messages, but do so in a way that engages the support of the mainstream, not alienate itself from it. It also seeks to learn important lessons from Cooltan and other related projects (Megaetripolis, the Warp etc).
This is where the alleged 'defmation' comes in. As someone rightly observed, having a decent amount of structure and organisation comes in very handy when dealing with charismatic yet at times unscrupulous individuals who have a tendency to try and dominate groups. For Shane Collins read Fraser Clark. This was the only reason why this was mentioned, and is one way in which Synergy will definitely NOT be Cooltan revisited or Ecotrip, Megatripolis, Return to the Source, the Warp revisited either.
Incidentally, in the wider activist circles, Shane has a very bad reputation for domineering behaviour. Which is why most people who work with him don't do so for long, as they end up feeling exploited and used. This is a repeated feature of the reports I have about Cooltan and were confirmed through my experiences with him in Ecotrip. Yes, he's ripped me off (more than once) and Synergy is, to a certain, extent, inspired by his dodgy and corrupt methods to implement a more ethical and sustainable alternative.
I think those arguing against Synergy are tearing apart a straw man very conveniently put up by Josef, rather than addressing the real issues. For people living in the Underground, £10 or £15 may be a lot, but it's not much given the price of a pint, a packet of cigs, an eighth of Skunk or whatever else people use to amuse themselves.
So maybe the time has come to suggest that Hatboy, Mike Slocombe and others might like to be on the guest-list for the next Synergy, which will be on Saturday Dec 13th. Then you can see for yourselves what it's like. Of course, it's not just trance, but a gallery hosted by the 491 Gallery, Hubble Hubble with the Turkish/Moroccan break-beats, a Conscious Cinema, a Healing-Chill (cue predictable contempt) and more besides.
[email protected]
ps
"What a fantastic night. What incredible decor; the amount of effort they put in rigging the main room alone was breathtaking. Great visuals, great music, great crowd, wonderful chillout spaces with magic carpets, and just so heartwarming going to an event where the promoters really care about their party rather than making a fast buck. I rarely have to pay to go to parties nowadays as I'm usually crewing in some capacity, but I paid my £15 for this and it was worth every flipping penny. I heard so many different live acts in the chill room that I'd never normally listen to, and fab things like the violinist playing over psytrance that were so different and exciting."
feedback about the last Synergy Project party on
http://www.psy-trance.co.uk/psyforum2003/index.php?showtopic=4130
The point is that £15 is actually really CHEAP for the massive production we put on, which is about 5 times what people get at parties charing as much if not more. As you will see if, and I mean if, you come along and put your opinions to the test.
editor
hiraethified
Defamation, dialogue and the next Synergy
Why do you keep going on and on about someone that has zero relevance to the vast majority of posters here? Cooltan happened years ago, so why are you still beefing about it? (Not that you were even involved in Cooltan, of course)
The truth is that it makes you and your club seem rather unpleasant, bitter, grudge-holding kinda folk.
You know, the longer you continue to publicly slag off someone who doesn't even post here (and therefore doesn't have the right to reply), the less respect I have for you.
Why do you keep going on and on about someone that has zero relevance to the vast majority of posters here? Cooltan happened years ago, so why are you still beefing about it? (Not that you were even involved in Cooltan, of course)
The truth is that it makes you and your club seem rather unpleasant, bitter, grudge-holding kinda folk.
Only recently joined this board, and just by luck come across this thread. First of all, from the few posts (samba thread protest/direct action) you may surmise I am a hippy (slaphead one so there)
Just wanted to say that I have never been to a party which was so spot on in every aspect as Synergy on Nov 15th was.
Now I'm not part of any hippy crowd. In fact most of my friends wouldn't be caught dead in anything which had even the merest whiff of jostick. So I never get to go to the kind of rave that I remember from me yoonger days, eh lad (that's when Es were really good
No seriously, the great thing about those late-eighties, early nineties raves was the communal feeling. The way people from all walks of life were willing to talk to each other and just have a good time. And the belief that things were changing (same time as end of cold war etc - then daddy Bush came along, Criminal Justice Bill, and though parties continued it became more about coked up geezers and supertstar djs)
For years I kinda gave up clubbing, and the few I went to would be brands of techno which just lacked something, but I'd go along and my mates would wonder why I wasn't enjoying it But not being into all the cliquiness of styles etc, i just wanted to get back to that music that made inspired me to dance in shamanic mode (that would be psy-trance, then I suppose, but love my dub and, of course eastern spiritual stuff, tabla + flute anyone?) so recently I've been doing a bit of club hunting by getting flyers from shops around Camden and checking them out (on my own, a bit saddo you may think, but there you go)
A few weeks ago I almost gave up on finding a club or gathering which somehow would harness the politicisation of the post-911 youth, and all the mystical stuff i was into. I went to a squat rave, which had the psy-trance and the spiritual stuff on the flyer kinda tagged on, but turned out it was all just put there for effect with no real idea (it was a squat party after all, so shouldn't be too harsh)
So I took one last try when I read the flyer for synergy (had wanted to go in may and missed it so made my way down to London bridge after a night out with friends who didn't fancy the night cos they thought £15 was too expensive.
Worth every penny I tell you. I got there and instantly i walked in i knew I'd come home! No lie that's what I kept saying to myself. I could go on about the live bands, the decor, the natural foodstalls, the art and literature and environmental projects laid out for all to see - and espesh the psy-trance bear pit, complete with shamanic dancer on stage twirling ultra-violet wand!
But honestly the best bit was that vibe, with everyone smiling, and there in the spirit to which I think the organisers intended. Definitely down there on Dec 15th.
Steve, well done. What with the samba players and the non-violent activists and the shamans who understand how close we are to evolving this world of war and hatred into one of peace and harmony, this event is going places...
Om Shanti
squeegee
Just wanted to say that I have never been to a party which was so spot on in every aspect as Synergy on Nov 15th was.
Now I'm not part of any hippy crowd. In fact most of my friends wouldn't be caught dead in anything which had even the merest whiff of jostick. So I never get to go to the kind of rave that I remember from me yoonger days, eh lad (that's when Es were really good
No seriously, the great thing about those late-eighties, early nineties raves was the communal feeling. The way people from all walks of life were willing to talk to each other and just have a good time. And the belief that things were changing (same time as end of cold war etc - then daddy Bush came along, Criminal Justice Bill, and though parties continued it became more about coked up geezers and supertstar djs)
For years I kinda gave up clubbing, and the few I went to would be brands of techno which just lacked something, but I'd go along and my mates would wonder why I wasn't enjoying it But not being into all the cliquiness of styles etc, i just wanted to get back to that music that made inspired me to dance in shamanic mode (that would be psy-trance, then I suppose, but love my dub and, of course eastern spiritual stuff, tabla + flute anyone?) so recently I've been doing a bit of club hunting by getting flyers from shops around Camden and checking them out (on my own, a bit saddo you may think, but there you go)
A few weeks ago I almost gave up on finding a club or gathering which somehow would harness the politicisation of the post-911 youth, and all the mystical stuff i was into. I went to a squat rave, which had the psy-trance and the spiritual stuff on the flyer kinda tagged on, but turned out it was all just put there for effect with no real idea (it was a squat party after all, so shouldn't be too harsh)
So I took one last try when I read the flyer for synergy (had wanted to go in may and missed it so made my way down to London bridge after a night out with friends who didn't fancy the night cos they thought £15 was too expensive.
Worth every penny I tell you. I got there and instantly i walked in i knew I'd come home! No lie that's what I kept saying to myself. I could go on about the live bands, the decor, the natural foodstalls, the art and literature and environmental projects laid out for all to see - and espesh the psy-trance bear pit, complete with shamanic dancer on stage twirling ultra-violet wand!
But honestly the best bit was that vibe, with everyone smiling, and there in the spirit to which I think the organisers intended. Definitely down there on Dec 15th.
Steve, well done. What with the samba players and the non-violent activists and the shamans who understand how close we are to evolving this world of war and hatred into one of peace and harmony, this event is going places...
Om Shanti
squeegee
Steve said:
"Incidentally, in the wider activist circles, Shane has a very bad reputation for domineering behaviour. Which is why most people who work with him don't do so for long, as they end up feeling exploited and used. This is a repeated feature of the reports I have about Cooltan and were confirmed through my experiences with him in Ecotrip."
I think this is exagerated. I like Shane alot. But I sort of know what you mean. I think he delegates things in a slightly sneaky way sometimes in an attempt to make the job more attractive to you. Not in a big-deal dishonest way, and probably trying to motivate too, but slightly misleading. I'd prefer if he was directly straight.
If you're reading this Shane, it's only what I've said to your face and it's not a big deal to me, but it might explain why Steve says people feel like he says they do, above. You are also a kind and generous person. And very committed to some of briliant things as well.
"Incidentally, in the wider activist circles, Shane has a very bad reputation for domineering behaviour. Which is why most people who work with him don't do so for long, as they end up feeling exploited and used. This is a repeated feature of the reports I have about Cooltan and were confirmed through my experiences with him in Ecotrip."
I think this is exagerated. I like Shane alot. But I sort of know what you mean. I think he delegates things in a slightly sneaky way sometimes in an attempt to make the job more attractive to you. Not in a big-deal dishonest way, and probably trying to motivate too, but slightly misleading. I'd prefer if he was directly straight.
If you're reading this Shane, it's only what I've said to your face and it's not a big deal to me, but it might explain why Steve says people feel like he says they do, above. You are also a kind and generous person. And very committed to some of briliant things as well.
ReReaRseReReRe: Defamation, dialogue and the next Synergy
Synergy is, no matter what anyone (none of whom have been to it, oddly enough) says about it, a fucking good party - end of. And I happen to believe that as an organisation it genuinely has the capability to break out of the 'psychedelic ghetto' and into what is generally termed the mainstream. At the moment the seeds and the financial backing are there, so hopefully the project will evolve and progress into a Good Thing, like.
The debate that seems to be raging on here is missing most of the important points being made, and instead is focusing on the irrelevancies (and personal attacks/jibes) of the argument. Bad points have been made and unnecessarily incisive jabs have been directed at those (apparently) unable to defend themselves; however the attention that some have been giving to these issues belies an apparent keeness to ignore the important points being made.
After all, it's just a bunch of hippies putting on a few parties, isn't it?
saaam
(ps I'm not familiar with the internicine nature of local politics in Brixton so please forgive me if I have made any particularly erroneous errors )
meh
Synergy is, no matter what anyone (none of whom have been to it, oddly enough) says about it, a fucking good party - end of. And I happen to believe that as an organisation it genuinely has the capability to break out of the 'psychedelic ghetto' and into what is generally termed the mainstream. At the moment the seeds and the financial backing are there, so hopefully the project will evolve and progress into a Good Thing, like.
The debate that seems to be raging on here is missing most of the important points being made, and instead is focusing on the irrelevancies (and personal attacks/jibes) of the argument. Bad points have been made and unnecessarily incisive jabs have been directed at those (apparently) unable to defend themselves; however the attention that some have been giving to these issues belies an apparent keeness to ignore the important points being made.
After all, it's just a bunch of hippies putting on a few parties, isn't it?
saaam
(ps I'm not familiar with the internicine nature of local politics in Brixton so please forgive me if I have made any particularly erroneous errors
)meh
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
well, I've been doing a bit of reading recently about Shane recently (I already know MORE than enough about Hoey!) - and I wish I lived in brixton full-time, becuase he'd certainly get my vote. streets ahead of anyone else.
hipipol
Peckham Wry
More bicker, bicker
I think its worth pointing out that Steve didn't mention this Shane geezer by name at first, he was "outed" by someone else.
Also I think it takes some bottle to climb into this bearpit of highly personal attacks, remember none of us know him, yet he recieved an appalling level of slagging, started at a time when he did not post here. Sauce for the goose an all that.
Whatever anyones knowledge of Shane(I have never mat the man by the way) from the remarks here I gather he is a polititian. When have they ever been sacrosanct here?
I have never been to a Synergy party, but from what the unbiased who have say, I think it sounds pretty good- however as you all know I am a Flouro wearing aged Hippy type, so I suppose thats to be expected!!!!!
Whatever anyone says they still haven't opened their centre yet, isn't at all a bit early to judge?
Wouldn't it be better to wait and see?
I think that the response here is just the kind of cliquiness that puts the mainstream off, you know they have to know the life history of every "face" the "scene" has ever produced and trot out the accepted "party" line on them to be accepted. No wonder Ernesto sticks to the politics forums, I'm sure he knows the name of Unkle Joes teddy so feels safe to comment on the other "tribes" of the lefts' rituals and conventions.
If we think we provide some sort of alternative thinking to that of the Daily Mail we ought not to sound like "Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells" when replying to an honest attempt to do something worthwhile, whether you like the music, or not.
I think its worth pointing out that Steve didn't mention this Shane geezer by name at first, he was "outed" by someone else.
Also I think it takes some bottle to climb into this bearpit of highly personal attacks, remember none of us know him, yet he recieved an appalling level of slagging, started at a time when he did not post here. Sauce for the goose an all that.
Whatever anyones knowledge of Shane(I have never mat the man by the way) from the remarks here I gather he is a polititian. When have they ever been sacrosanct here?
I have never been to a Synergy party, but from what the unbiased who have say, I think it sounds pretty good- however as you all know I am a Flouro wearing aged Hippy type, so I suppose thats to be expected!!!!!
Whatever anyone says they still haven't opened their centre yet, isn't at all a bit early to judge?
Wouldn't it be better to wait and see?
I think that the response here is just the kind of cliquiness that puts the mainstream off, you know they have to know the life history of every "face" the "scene" has ever produced and trot out the accepted "party" line on them to be accepted. No wonder Ernesto sticks to the politics forums, I'm sure he knows the name of Unkle Joes teddy so feels safe to comment on the other "tribes" of the lefts' rituals and conventions.
If we think we provide some sort of alternative thinking to that of the Daily Mail we ought not to sound like "Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells" when replying to an honest attempt to do something worthwhile, whether you like the music, or not.
More bicker, bicker
It's Alphonse by the way. JV's teddy.
It's Alphonse by the way. JV's teddy.
steve indigenou
New Member
You still there Mike ?
Mike,
You reading the comments from the impartial people ?
You able to entertain the possibility that maybe you prejudged us ?
OK, you may not like the fact that I slag Shane off, but you dish it out as well don't you ? And why should Shane be immune from criticism ? As the self-style 'leader' of the scene, and (as he keeps reminding us) 'London Assembly Candidate', he's in the public domain and should not expect a free ride.
Particularly when there are lessons to be learned from his mistakes, even for him too.
Wait and see, Mike, wait and see. One of the reasons why I am actually quite grateful for the abuse you dish out is that it just reinforces my conviction that our approach is the right one.
So, you gonna come on the 15th ?
Steve
Mike,
You reading the comments from the impartial people ?
You able to entertain the possibility that maybe you prejudged us ?
OK, you may not like the fact that I slag Shane off, but you dish it out as well don't you ? And why should Shane be immune from criticism ? As the self-style 'leader' of the scene, and (as he keeps reminding us) 'London Assembly Candidate', he's in the public domain and should not expect a free ride.
Particularly when there are lessons to be learned from his mistakes, even for him too.
Wait and see, Mike, wait and see. One of the reasons why I am actually quite grateful for the abuse you dish out is that it just reinforces my conviction that our approach is the right one.
So, you gonna come on the 15th ?
Steve
editor
hiraethified
You still there Mike ?
For the record, I've never slagged off your parties because I've no reason to - I've never been to one.
I doubt if it would float my boat though, because I've always found all that crystal fiddling, shamanic spouting, flame rekindling, Divine Tara chanting stuff utterly, utterly tedious, but - hey! - each to their own, eh?
I doubt if you see the glaring mismatch between the touchy-feely hippy chakra stuff on your 'mission statement' and how you've acted here, but your attitude has left me with serious doubts about your 'mission'.
For all your talk of 'cooperation', 'synergy' and 'common goals', you've managed to piss off several people here and spend the greater part of your time viciously defaming someone who doesn't even post here.
And inbetween that, you have a go at me, when I'm the guy giving you free exposure for your event!
I've no idea what your problem with Shane is - and it's got absolutely fuck all to do with me - but your persistent attacks are unpleasant and leave a bad taste in the mouth.
Oh, and here's some free advice: your website is a bit of a disaster for anyone with accessibility issues, and is poorly designed for search engines. Stick in a text only navigation system, add a keyword loaded introduction message and include a text only site map, and your site should become far easier to find and to navigate.
Good luck with your party and your project.
I won't be going, thanks.
You really do seem to want a fight, don't you?
For the record, I've never slagged off your parties because I've no reason to - I've never been to one.
I doubt if it would float my boat though, because I've always found all that crystal fiddling, shamanic spouting, flame rekindling, Divine Tara chanting stuff utterly, utterly tedious, but - hey! - each to their own, eh?
I doubt if you see the glaring mismatch between the touchy-feely hippy chakra stuff on your 'mission statement' and how you've acted here, but your attitude has left me with serious doubts about your 'mission'.
For all your talk of 'cooperation', 'synergy' and 'common goals', you've managed to piss off several people here and spend the greater part of your time viciously defaming someone who doesn't even post here.
And inbetween that, you have a go at me, when I'm the guy giving you free exposure for your event!
I've no idea what your problem with Shane is - and it's got absolutely fuck all to do with me - but your persistent attacks are unpleasant and leave a bad taste in the mouth.
Oh, and here's some free advice: your website is a bit of a disaster for anyone with accessibility issues, and is poorly designed for search engines. Stick in a text only navigation system, add a keyword loaded introduction message and include a text only site map, and your site should become far easier to find and to navigate.
Good luck with your party and your project.
I won't be going, thanks.
Steve, you could promote what your new project is all about and make whatever general points you need to make about "failures of the past" without bringing personal bitch-fighting into it. I happen to know that there is a lot more to your issues with Shane than you have mentioned here. If you have things to say about someone say them to their face, don't talk about them behind their back, where they don't have the chance to reply to accusations, and where some of their friends and colleagues etc have to sit there listening to a load of vindictive and poisonous stuff. What the hell are we meant to do? I don't want to get involved but I feel like I want to stick up for the guy- but I'm not even going to grace all the mudslinging with any kind of response. Moreover some of your comments reflect adversely on a lot more people than just one person.
You have a lot more going for you, and you are bigger than that - you really don't need to knock people and slag other people off to make yourself look better. If you personally, after all this time, have decided that you don't want to work with Shane anymore then fine - don't get involved with him. But don't let your *personal* issues and emotions about him adversely effect your relationships with other people - leave vendettas alone will ya!
Good luck with Synergy.
You have a lot more going for you, and you are bigger than that - you really don't need to knock people and slag other people off to make yourself look better. If you personally, after all this time, have decided that you don't want to work with Shane anymore then fine - don't get involved with him. But don't let your *personal* issues and emotions about him adversely effect your relationships with other people - leave vendettas alone will ya!
Good luck with Synergy.
steve indigenou
New Member
don't be fooled TJ
Thanks for the tone of your post TJ, but don't be fooled.
yes, I have personal reasons for my antipathy to Shane, but don't let him fool you into thinking that this is the only source. The events of which you are now aware are merely another example of his methods - to hijack someone else's energy and claim it for is own.
Check out Jonny Void's post on the Cannabis thread and follow up the invitation for more info. You'll see I am not alone in my beliefs.
Maybe I waste my energy in highlighting the man's corrupt ways, but when someone who has experienced exactly what I have experienced, professionally not personally, posts in support of what I am saying, then that reinforces my will to continue on this mission.
Steve
Thanks for the tone of your post TJ, but don't be fooled.
yes, I have personal reasons for my antipathy to Shane, but don't let him fool you into thinking that this is the only source. The events of which you are now aware are merely another example of his methods - to hijack someone else's energy and claim it for is own.
Check out Jonny Void's post on the Cannabis thread and follow up the invitation for more info. You'll see I am not alone in my beliefs.
Maybe I waste my energy in highlighting the man's corrupt ways, but when someone who has experienced exactly what I have experienced, professionally not personally, posts in support of what I am saying, then that reinforces my will to continue on this mission.
Steve
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