mk12 said:
An alpha male if ever I saw one
SWP uneasy at Respect selection meeting
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An alpha male if ever I saw one
SuburbanCasual said:An alpha male if ever I saw one
Anyone who calls themself one of them needs shooting.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
don't they just?nonamenopackdrill said:
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oh cripes you poor sod, those meetings must be excruciatingcockneyrebel said:
god they're trying hard to maintain the fiction that WESPECK is something other than a 100% swappie front job
Red Jezza said:
Fucking hell Jezza. Do you still use "BLIAR" as well. It's a little dull now.
And read the op - the whole point is that the SWP candidate wasn't selected.
(and Helen Salmon is widely known to be SWP - I don't think it was a purposeful omission)
cockneyrebel
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Do me a favour. If this was an isolated incident I'd say fair enough but the SWP always do this in this kinda situation, whether STWC, UAF, Globalise Resistance or whatever they're never up front about who is in the SWP.
Yeah but the dynamics aren't that simple. On a national level it's the SWP and Galloway who run the show, and seem to act almost independently of each other.
But where there has been local success there has been an increasing role for a layer of petty bourgeois/community leaders and this, IMO, will cause increasing problems for the SWP. But it's a total result of their political strategy.
cockneyrebel said:
So a more explicitly leftist formation would never have 'petty bourgeois/community leaders' who would get on board and try to become councillors if such a party had success?
Unless you ban new members from having a say in who was candidate, then any successful party will get stuff like this happening. And don't tell me that some robust left programme would stop opportunists, people can learn to talk the talk, sign up their mates and get nominated.
Bring back the slate system, city wide, then there would be much more pressure to have gender/ethnic/political diversity.
Streathamite
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aaarghh!!!!!!!!nonamenopackdrill said:
yes, dear, I KNOW your mate HS is a swappie. that was the point; they're playing the loyal alluh u RESPECT card (in other words not moaning more about the selection) to give the impression that RESPECT is the main action, and a viable party in its' own right rather than just being another frontjob exercise in manipulation of the gullible by the SWP (given they have rather a lot of form in that regard), with the CC running the show behind the scenes
I didn't understand that at all.
cockneyrebel
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I think that an orientation towards class politics would make this less likely and put socialists in stronger position when trying to combat the influence of the petty bourgeois. Also an organisation that was formed out of the workers movement would also be in much stronger position.
Anyway we're never gonna agree on this are we. I think this will end up tearing RESPECT apart. And the fact of the matter is that there is clearly a lot of unease about RESPECT among SWP members, any honest SWP member will say that when you talk to them face to face (also spoke to one of your long running members who was totally upfront that your active membership base was about 1500-2000 at best, at least it was refreshing to have a bit of honesty, but anyway that's kinda irrelevant).
But not sure whether the lessons will be learnt. The CPB never learnt either it was always put down to this or that tactical mistake, or blamed on particular organisers, branches or conservative elements etc
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what i mean isnonamenopackdrill said:
a) they are keeping quiet about Salmon's ultimate loyalties, so as to give the impression to the wider world that she is not 100% swappie - in the mistaken impression that SW has a readership beyond left anoraks
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2) They desperately need everyone to believe that RESPECT is a new, exciting party in its' own right, formed spontaneously out of people's anger on the streets maaan - rather than what I believe it to be, a cynical and opportunitistic cook up between the SWP and some MAB apparatchiks, done as a desperate lunge for ex-labour votes.
hence the loyal parroting of the RESPECT line 'excellent candidate' 'we all stand foursquare behind him', and the (relatively) mild gripe about all those 'new members' (if it was anything other than a RESPECT selection meeting, they'd have done it up in their usual screamathon headline).
e2a: plus bonus points for ersatz feminism, always a smart move when tucked up in bed with a Faith not known for its' progressive views on womens' rights
Fisher_Gate
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cockneyrebel said:
In what way is a recruitment consultant (and former amateur boxer), more petit bourgeois than an SWP full timer? I don't know the individuals concerned but it is quite possible the recruitment consultant has a stronger working class background. He may even be more working class than a certain lecturer in social policy ... I think the SWP are deliberately downplaying the gender issue here, because their own position has traditionally been pretty rotten on positive discrimination, quotas, etc. What determines the character of the politics is the programme ... and this is scantily missing from the Socialist Worker article.
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JimPage said:you couldn't make it up. keep em comin'JHE said:
for the record; NATIONAL RUC decisions are 100% dictated by the SWP CC, and there is very little that is 'working class' about the muslim component of RUC membership
Red Jezza said:JimPage said:you couldn't make it up. keep em comin';
for the record; NATIONAL RUC decisions are 100% dictated by the SWP CC, and there is very little that is 'working class' about the muslim component of RUC membership
Except that they sell their labour...?
Do you actually have any evidence to back up that last statement?
darren redparty
a very bad man
mk12 said:" 1 - 10 of about 28,400 "
how about google swp biggest ever
http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rls=GWYH,GWYH:2006-47,GWYH:en&q=swp+biggest+ever
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mutley said:oh ffs!Red Jezza said:
if you really doubt that the SWP are 100% in control of RESPECT, then you're in such a worse state than mere denial - you're actually in need of psychiatric help.
If I want to read standard, thought-free swapbot propagandist lies I can read their or RESPECT's literature, and go to the source, rather qthan a recycling conveyance like your good self, thanks.
and the reason why it's a m/c muslim membership? simple, they approached community bigwigs first, rather than soil their little hands by direct contact with the working class itself, it flows from there naturally.
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
Yaqoob has responded saying the SWP can stand in other wards if they want a woman member to stand so badly.
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php?article_id=10628
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php?article_id=10628
darren redparty
a very bad man
show me where the transistor goes in a computer , fucking trot retardmutley said:
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
darren redparty said:
There are many transistors in a computer - the Pentium chip has over 50 million of them. Your point is?
JHE
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nwnm said:his point is that he wins first prize in <I know> FA cup
What is it with you and '<blah blah>'? Do you use '<' and '>' to add emphasis, instead of bold or italics, or instead of '(blah blah)'... or something else? I guess it's your eccentric way of adding emphasis, but it's really not clear. I've often given up reading your posts because your weird way of writing makes them difficult to understand.
nwnm said:bollocks - you just have trouble with the big words
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