SWP refuse to debate Tatchell .. LOL
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not really, the FA are the BNP for people who went to public school
the founder, Norris Mcwhirter was an active apartheid supporter
as was former FA council member John Bercow who as chair of the monday club campaigned for voluntary repatriation
and another previous FA council member Viscount Massereene and Ferrard has stated on record: “If you say I am a racist, yes I certainly am, and proud of it.”
the FA accepted funding from the south african apartheid regime and ran blacklists of trade union organisers which were sent to potential employers
The Freedom Association’s policies include closing down public sector pension schemes, making all public services dependent on private insurance payments, and banning public sector strikes.
the founder, Norris Mcwhirter was an active apartheid supporter
as was former FA council member John Bercow who as chair of the monday club campaigned for voluntary repatriation
and another previous FA council member Viscount Massereene and Ferrard has stated on record: “If you say I am a racist, yes I certainly am, and proud of it.”
the FA accepted funding from the south african apartheid regime and ran blacklists of trade union organisers which were sent to potential employers
The Freedom Association’s policies include closing down public sector pension schemes, making all public services dependent on private insurance payments, and banning public sector strikes.
more likely to be ukip or bnp, bercow was kicked out of the tories for being too 'far' to the right
Check out their council members: http://www.tfa.net/abo01.htm
Like I said, Right-wing Conservatives.
I'd include more than that in my definition of 'far right'.
Like I said, Right-wing Conservatives.
smokedout said:
I'd include more than that in my definition of 'far right'.
would you include people who are anti-immigration and pro-repatriation, who believe in the end of state subsidised public services to be completely replaced by the private sector (which economically is as far to the right as you can get) and an end to workers having the freedom to form unions?
No, otherwise at least two-thirds of the British public would count as 'Far Right'.
smokedout said:
Repatriation of whole ethnic groups, yes obviously.
smokedout said:
No. Virtually all groups described as Far Right have collectivist aspects to their beliefs.
smokedout said:
That always comes as part of the Far Right package in practice, so yes.
But does the Freedom Association endorse all those four policies anyway? And are you not mistaken when you claim that Peter Tatchell was happy to share a platform with the Far Right?
former members of the FA have called for repatriation of blacks and asians but much like the BNP they are attempting drop overt racism and seek credibility
dont forget they were largely funded by the apartheid regime in south africa
not quite that simple, id say the most groups described as fascist have a collectivist aspects to their beliefs but like anarchism and communism could both be termed far left there are more aspects to the far right than fascism
a completely liberalised economy a la milton friedman/pinochet is a right wing policy. if the tories currently represent the centre right, wanting to keep the nhs etc then i dont think its unfair to call the neo-liberals far or at least hard right
added to this the freedom association has an absolutely proven track record of anti-union activity
so an extreme right wing economic position, a background of racism, support for repatraition and apartheid and active anti-union activity
i think the term far right is fair, i didnt call them fascists
the March for Free Expression was largely organised by the FA and Tatchell cose to speak at it with the full knowledge of that
dont forget they were largely funded by the apartheid regime in south africa
not quite that simple, id say the most groups described as fascist have a collectivist aspects to their beliefs but like anarchism and communism could both be termed far left there are more aspects to the far right than fascism
a completely liberalised economy a la milton friedman/pinochet is a right wing policy. if the tories currently represent the centre right, wanting to keep the nhs etc then i dont think its unfair to call the neo-liberals far or at least hard right
added to this the freedom association has an absolutely proven track record of anti-union activity
so an extreme right wing economic position, a background of racism, support for repatraition and apartheid and active anti-union activity
i think the term far right is fair, i didnt call them fascists
the March for Free Expression was largely organised by the FA and Tatchell cose to speak at it with the full knowledge of that
I appreciate your distinction, and would see the Freedom Association as being on the hard or nationalist right of the Conservative Party certainly, and acting on Enoch Powell's dictum that "the Conservative Party is nationalist or it is nothing".
But by 'Far Right', I understand groups outside the Conservative Party with these features:
1. A radical rather than conservative stance towards existing institutions and constitutional arrangements, eg the rule of law, parliament etc.
2. Race or 'ethnic genetic interests' as the primary social fact and competition between races as the main dynamic in history. (Like class is for Marxists.)
3. A powerful and violent State which acts without restraint against its opponents.
Most of the people involved in the FA are not members of the conservative party but more commonly ukip
the FA was founded primarily on apartheid money and actively campaigned on the SA states behalf
The FA were also active supporters of pinochet and some were involved in a failed coup to attempt to bring a similiar regime to the uk
i take your point and the FA certainly try to present a different face to thew world than they did but throughout their history they have had members who have flirted with extreme nationalism or more traditional fascist organisations
the FA for example have actively promoted Right Now (and still link to the defunct website) which was edited by out and proud nazi derek turner and one of the FA's founders (John Gouriet) was involved in the Conservative Democratic Alliance which also included Adrian Davies, a member of BNP splinter group the Freedom Party and barrister for david irving
so whilst i wouldnt call the FA specifically fash' they certainly have members who have flirted with fascism and could be considered fellow travellers
as did the conservative party until IDS expelled the monday club (although IDS himself had links to le pen)
what a load of smearing shite .. why do you not actually read what the man says instead of trying to smear him with being a paedo??? p.s. the age of consent in holland is 12 .. are they all paedos???
http://www.petertatchell.net/
"This evidence spurred OutRage! to launch a new campaign "to reduce the age of consent to l4 for everyone, both gay and straight", arguing that "l4 is more realistic than 16, and much fairer".
Already, 20 European countries have ages of consent lower than l6. The minimum age is effectively l2 in the Netherlands, Spain, Portugal and Malta. It's 14 in Slovenia, Iceland, Montenegro, Serbia, Italy, San Marino, Albania and, in certain circumstances, Germany. All these laws apply equally to hetero and homo sex.
The introduction of these comparatively low ages of consent has not increased the sexual abuse of young people. They have adequate protection through the laws against rape and indecent assault.
In the Netherlands, freer and franker attitudes towards teenage sex, together with a strong emphasis on the right of young people to control their own bodies, has led to greater sexual wisdom and responsibility. Although Dutch youths are legally allowed to have sex from the age of 12, on average they choose to have their first sexual experience at a slightly later age than their British counterparts. Most significantly, the Dutch rate of pregnancies and abortions in girls under l6 is less than one-seventh of the rate in Britain. This suggests that empowering young people with legal rights and sexual information is the best way to protect them."
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
l would'nt have thought that Holland is a particularly good example to use to justify this paedo's charter.
http://www.radionetherlands.nl/currentaffairs/region/netherlands/netherlands011218.html
As Ricky Gervais said about a demo for lowering the age of consent for male homosexuals, "....he did'nt see any young people on the march, but plenty of middle aged men."
http://www.radionetherlands.nl/currentaffairs/region/netherlands/netherlands011218.html
As Ricky Gervais said about a demo for lowering the age of consent for male homosexuals, "....he did'nt see any young people on the march, but plenty of middle aged men."
cantsin
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and quoting that dodgy cnut Ricky Gervais is strengthening your crumbling argument is it ?
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
I don't think Ricky Gervais is dodgy, possibly to politically correct tossers like yourself, who probably something crypto fascistic in Carry On Films; but then your not that much in touch with society i should'nt imagine.
Good luck with your nonces charter, although I should imagine you'll last about five minutes in certain parts of Oxford East.
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