SWP Party Notes: The Return

Trouble · Aug 24, 2005

Random said:
But it rather supports the claim that the SWP is dominated by students, teachers and academics.

is that not to an extent inevitable considering the political circumstances to date?

butchersapron · Aug 24, 2005

What do you mean by that? What are the circumstances that mean this is inevitable and why do they make it inevitable.

past caring · Aug 24, 2005

Leninism being a bourgoise ideology, perhaps?

edit: I'd be interested in MC5 elaborating on these SW paper sales that were defended in the early 90s, though.....where and when, that sort of thing.

butchersapron · Aug 24, 2005

I do hope that's what s/he meant. The other option is just too depressing to bother with.

butchersapron · Aug 24, 2005

past caring said:
edit: I'd be interested in MC5 elaborating on these SW paper sales that were defended in the early 90s, though.....where and when, that sort of thing.

One charge at brick lane would prob be the answer - it normally is. How that relates to anywhere else i don't know.

Nigel Irritable · Aug 24, 2005

bolshiebhoy said:
Well the activity (building stwc and Respect and anything else that comes along) is gonna come first obviously. But the paragraph I quoted goes on to say how important the branch meeting is for orienting the members politically within that activity. Not that different to the aproach when me and flim were still members!

Actually I read that part as being a bit defensive, a reminder to members who quite clearly have been encouraged to downgrade the SWP infrastructure for some time now - remember to have an open meeting in your district on occasion, and if there isn't anything else on, maybe you should have a branch meeting...

belboid · Aug 24, 2005

Donna Ferentes said:
Right, you read that in the two minutes you had available?

actually, compared to anyone who has 'read' it from my blog - two minutes is ages!

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darren redparty · Aug 24, 2005

"The Met Police have treated Jean Charles's family like they were
ignorant peasants"
no wonder the swp are outraged;Thats THEIR job!

audiotech · Aug 24, 2005

past caring said:
Leninism being a bourgoise ideology, perhaps?

edit: I'd be interested in MC5 elaborating on these SW paper sales that were defended in the early 90s, though.....where and when, that sort of thing.

It did happen in a Northern City, just take my word for it.

audiotech · Aug 24, 2005

butchersapron said:
One charge at brick lane would prob be the answer - it normally is. How that relates to anywhere else i don't know.

I did a papersale there in 1978. At that time, in that street it was no picnic.

treelover · Aug 24, 2005

blimey, Belboid you have clear records of who looked at your blog, i really didn't think it was that easy and open, anyone could set up a 'honeypot' as it were to attract enemies for instance.

past caring · Aug 25, 2005

MC5 said:
It did happen in a Northern City, just take my word for it.

It may have happened, once.

However, the notion that it happened with any regularity, had the sanction of the CC, that it was in any way "policy" is, quite frankly, laughable.

There was a policy at the time - it was to both deny that the attacks were happening and/or to refuse to keep branches and members informed of the same. Such a policy meant that not even the most basic avoidance tactics were put in place, let alone any preparations for self-defence.

And on those occasions where members themselves became aware that there was an actual pattern and likelihood of attacks and then went on to communicate this to other members, those same people were rubbished and labeled as "squadists" - even where their efforts were directed solely at avoidance tactics.

The behaviour of the party's leadership at the time was nothing short of criminal.

Donna Ferentes · Aug 25, 2005

Something of an exaggeration, that. It's unlikely that any actual criminal offence was committed.

past caring · Aug 25, 2005

You've never used a rhetorical flourish in your life, have you Donna?

Besides, I'm sure you're aware that the word "criminal" can be used entirely legitimately other than in the purely legalistic sense....

laptop · Aug 25, 2005

districtline said:
isn't that just the same group of people? lindsay running between the stalls?

Will there be a Multiple Personality Disorder stall as well?

I know MPD almost certainly doesn't exist in the classically claimed sense, before anyone comes over all can't-call-them-differently-sane

Donna Ferentes · Aug 25, 2005

past caring said:
You've never used a rhetorical flourish in your life, have you Donna?

Besides, I'm sure you're aware that the word "criminal" can be used entirely legitimately other than in the purely legalistic sense....

I am, but I'm equally sure that its rhetorical usage is more often an exaggeration than it is not.

belboid · Aug 25, 2005

treelover said:
blimey, Belboid you have clear records of who looked at your blog, i really didn't think it was that easy and open, anyone could set up a 'honeypot' as it were to attract enemies for instance.

dont give the game away!

it is disturbungly fascinating looking at some of the stats, if only to try and work out why there are so many 0 second visits (of which at least two are mine). Tho I also think I know what OS & browser Sorry is using now! And, only one hit from Brixton so far..god the info is endlessly fascinating.

AND, apparently the blog is `a valuable public service` apparently!

butchersapron · Aug 25, 2005

Were you in the SWP at the time under discussion Donna?

Donna Ferentes · Aug 25, 2005

Not on this planet.

Gumbert · Aug 25, 2005

past caring said:
It may have happened, once.

However, the notion that it happened with any regularity, had the sanction of the CC, that it was in any way "policy" is, quite frankly, laughable.

There was a policy at the time - it was to both deny that the attacks were happening and/or to refuse to keep branches and members informed of the same. Such a policy meant that not even the most basic avoidance tactics were put in place, let alone any preparations for self-defence.

And on those occasions where members themselves became aware that there was an actual pattern and likelihood of attacks and then went on to communicate this to other members, those same people were rubbished and labeled as "squadists" - even where their efforts were directed solely at avoidance tactics.

The behaviour of the party's leadership at the time was nothing short of criminal.

...so you left?

it was happening to us in a northern town for a couple of weeks in the late eighties till one comrade phoned a 'mad' mate who brought down a crew armed with chair legs...

so, the nazis turned up and promptly got a kickin...needless to say they didnt come again and we didnt inform the cc...

so what?

butchersapron · Aug 25, 2005

Donna Ferentes said:
Not on this planet.

So you're not actually commenting on the situation as seen by PC at the time? What are you doing?

Donna Ferentes · Aug 25, 2005

I'm commenting on certain exaggerations of language.

butchersapron · Aug 25, 2005

To what end? What's the point?

Donna Ferentes · Aug 25, 2005

The development of a sense of perspective.

butchersapron · Aug 25, 2005

Donna Ferentes said:
The development of a sense of perspective.

Has it helped you yet?

Donna Ferentes · Aug 25, 2005

It has, grasshopper.

butchersapron · Aug 25, 2005

It's not yet manifested itself though has it? We should wait.

Donna Ferentes · Aug 25, 2005

We should wait a thousand years if need be.

flimsier · Aug 25, 2005

belboid said:
dont give the game away!

it is disturbungly fascinating looking at some of the stats, if only to try and work out why there are so many 0 second visits (of which at least two are mine). Tho I also think I know what OS & browser Sorry is using now! And, only one hit from Brixton so far..god the info is endlessly fascinating.

AND, apparently the blog is `a valuable public service` apparently!

I couldn't find my access from school, which was very soon after you put it up.

butchersapron · Aug 25, 2005

Donna Ferentes said:
We should wait a thousand years if need be.

In the meantime you continue to operate without a functioning one? If you say so.

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