SWP at the Climate Camp?

[Nigel]

I would just like to thank all the posters who keep putting up threads about the SWP, you have helped me recruit about half a dozen new members in the last week alone. Whenever they ask about the rest of the left I show them the various anti SWP rants and conspiracy theories on here and that clinches it

HOW'S IT GOING WITH MARK STEEL THEN

 

[dennisr]

This finance stuff is just a minor hiccup.

Well, its probably not that minor to someone about to lose the roof over their head (or the folk in the general thread worrying about their debts) but yep, I take the point.

Maybe what is more important is how it is all perceived - how 'minor' it is seen in the eyes of the majority standing on the sidelines - confidence in or at the very least grudging aquiesence of the ways things are are the moment. Alongside ones rising fuel and food bills. That'll have a real impact. The loss of confidence among those at the top of the pile is interesting to witness as well.

The recent period of accelerated globalisation and neo-liberal expansion is over, the underlying crisis of production and profitability is going raise its ugly head as the financial sector's crisis is echoed in the real economy. That's not to say the economic cycle won't continue but it is in for a much bumpier ride than it has seen for a long while - alongside prolonged stagnation, the danger of recession, etc that will impact on social and ideological outlooks and peoples conciousness. its not all about what is happening in some bubble in the city. I can't see a continued boom on the scale of the recent past myself - so I don't think that can be written off as a hiccup

 

[Nigel]

Probably end up with a re-vamped version of New Deal in USA & a return to more protectionist(not necessarilly re-nationalisation) in U.K. & Europe.

Not necessarily a call for Socialist Revolution!!!
The recent nationalisation of Bradford & Bingley was a knee jerk reaction, closely linked to Northern Rock Deal.
Socialism For The Rich!
Hardly Workers Control!!!

 

[dennisr]

Hardly Workers Control!!!

What really? *shocked*

 

[Fisher_Gate]

HOW'S IT GOING WITH MARK STEEL THEN

Who cares about those tired old has-beens, 363 people joined the SWP at Manchester University last week ... that's where the future lies ...

 

[mk12]

By "joined" you mean signed a petition? I reckon 95% of those will have left by the time they leave University.

 

[osterberg]

By "joined" you mean signed a petition? I reckon 95% of those will have left by the time they leave University.

Actually,I believe Fisher Gate was indulging in a "wittiscism"

 

[treelover]

By "joined" you mean signed a petition? I reckon 95% of those will have left by the time they leave University.

Yes, even Samantha Gwendoline Cameron, daughter of Viscountess Astor voted Green while at Bristol Poly...

 

[Nigel]

so the world financial markets are going belly up, US politicians have rapidly speeded up the process for their own either populist or ideological reasons (i suspect populist in the main) and the anarchos and swappies spend their time trading petty and slightly paranoid insults regarding interventions at varous piddling events. Good to know you all have your priorities sorted

I would have thought that you would be more supportive of the libertairian lefts distrust for the SWP, especially with the Millies/SP's involvement & disagreements with them over Broad Left, Poll Tax & more recentely with their despicable behaviour in splitting the Socialist Alliance mirrored in a different stratergy with RESPECT.

Without a strong movement and/or credible and well publicised political leadership, the recent problems could be disasterous for 'anti system' struggles in Britain. The maturity of the left and others has not moved on from its' infantile behaviour since the defeats of the 1980's to early 1990's.
Free market capitalism may have lost some of its credibility, however their is nothing from the left to credibly challange it.

I would like to think that this would be the making of a strong workers movement, however it is more likely that the authoritarian right will pick up more on this opportunity.

 

[audiotech]

Apparently, over 200 people joined SWSS at the Kings Colllege, London.

In one sign of the increasing interest in radical ideas, more than 70 bus workers bought Socialist Worker across London last week.
And across the country 363 people joined SWSS at Manchester University, 160 at the University of Kent and 146 at Edinburgh University.
Some 408 people joined the Stop the War Coalition group at Manchester, with 200 joining at Leeds University, and 150 at Liverpool.

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=16092

 

[Zachor]

Apparently, over 200 people joined SWSS at the Kings Colllege, London.



http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=16092

What MC5 REALLY meant to say......

"more than 70 bus workers bought Socialist Worker across London last week."
Those pesky management types cutting downon the toilet paper mean that arses need to be wiped with something.

"And across the country 363 people joined SWSS at Manchester University, 160 at the University of Kent and 146 at Edinburgh University."
Most of the brighter ones will get pissed off with being members after about six months. The stupid ones will continue to be members. But like the poor the stupid will always be with us in some form or another.

"Some 408 people joined the Stop the War Coalition group at Manchester, with 200 joining at Leeds University, and 150 at Liverpool. "
Many of these 'members' will leave the STWC when like me they realise its just another SWP front and a front that has some nasty antisemitic tendencies amongst other faults.

 

[audiotech]

What MC5 REALLY meant to say......

blah, blah, reactionary blah

No, what it does suggest is that people are looking around for radical ideas and not some old scabby, reactionary ones similar to those that Zachor now holds.

 

[Bakunin]

No, what it does suggest is that people are looking around for radical ideas

Why were they hanging around with the SWP then?

 

[audiotech]

No, what it does suggest is that people are looking around for radical ideas

Why were they hanging around with the SWP then?

Maybe they would lke to be "incognito".

 

[Bakunin]

No, what it does suggest is that people are looking around for radical ideas

Maybe they would lke to be "incognito".

If only the SWP CC could be made permanently incognito, possibly in some mass concrete boots/River Thames interface.

On the other hand, I understand that polluting said river with such human sewage would be illegal.

 

[audiotech]

If only the SWP CC could be made permanently incognito, possibly in some mass concrete boots/River Thames interface.

On the other hand, I understand that polluting said river with such human sewage would be illegal.

Oh me sides are splitting with such rapier wit.

 

[cozmikbrew]

swps at climate camp eh?well i for one would risk a small increase in my carbon footprint by torching the fucking lot of em!!parasites!!always get in the way and/or fuck things up

 

[audiotech]

swps at climate camp eh?well i for one would risk a small increase in my carbon footprint by torching the fucking lot of em!!parasites!!always get in the way and/or fuck things up

Try laying of the special brew whilst you light it eh?

 

[cozmikbrew]

am i that transparent?

 

[Fisher_Gate]

Actually,I believe Fisher Gate was indulging in a "wittiscism"

I don't do irony. It was part of a quote from Socialist Worker. I'm sure it's true and that the future of socialism lies in the hands of Manchester University's Class of 2011.

 

[Bakunin]

I don't do irony. It was part of a quote from Socialist Worker. I'm sure it's true and that the future of socialism lies in the hands of Manchester University's Class of 2011.

In the words of a certain Private Fraser:

'Och, we're doooooooomed, I tell you...'

 

[Zachor]

If only the SWP CC could be made permanently incognito, possibly in some mass concrete boots/River Thames interface.
.

Well said.

 

[osterberg]

I don't do irony....

Yeah,I know

And you misquoted (v.naughty).SWSS not SWP.
How well did the "respect renewal" lot do at the freshers in Manchester then?

 

[audiotech]

Well said.

Before, or after the poor?

 

[Zachor]

Before, or after the poor?

No dumping the whole CC of the SWP into the thames would be a positive end in itself. No need to dump the poor into the Thames. No need at all.

 

[osterberg]

This juvenile tit-for-tat stuff is so addictive!

Nice to see tories and anarchists uniting,it's so touching.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

No dumping the whole CC of the SWP into the thames would be a positive end in itself. No need to dump the poor into the Thames. No need at all.

It seems Pinochet, who both you and Al Khul (funny how he dissapears every time you pop up isn't it?) both apologise for, is now influencing your rhetoric. He dumped political prisoners into the ocean from military helicopters I believe.

btw Zachor - on another thread you said you had a "professional interest" in defending Israel because you work in arms control. Care to answer just how intimately involved you are in the supply of weapons to Israel?

 

[Zachor]

It seems Pinochet, who both you and Al Khul (funny how he dissapears every time you pop up isn't) both apologise for, is now influencing your rhetoric. He dumped political prisoners into the ocean from military helicopters I believe.

First of all you may have twisted some of my words there. i didn't say I approved of Pinochet I said that maybe Allende made mistakes which made a military takeover which was to the benefit of the USA more likely. Do pay attention.

btw Zachor - on another thread you said you had a "professional interest" in defending Israel because you work in arms control. Care to answer just how intimately involved you are in the supply of weapons to Israel?

I do have a professional interest in Arms Control but I certainly am not involved in promoting arms whether to Israel or elsewhere. However that is as far as I'm going to go on here in detailing my professional interest in arms control.

I am a supporter of Israel and I am a Zionist and proud of it. I don't always agree with what Israel does but then there is much that my own and other govts do that I don't agree with.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

I do have a professional interest in Arms Control but I certainly am not involved in promoting arms whether to Israel or elsewhere. However that is as far as I'm going to go on here in detailing my professional interest in arms control.

I am a supporter of Israel and I am a Zionist and proud of it. I don't always agree with what Israel does but then there is much that my own and other govts do that I don't agree with.

I never suggested you're involved in promoting arms. What I want to know is whether you have approved, on any level, licenses on the export of arms to Israel. Yes or no would be fine.

 

[Zachor]

I never suggested you're involved in promoting arms. What I want to know is whether you have approved, on any level, licenses on the export of arms to Israel. Yes or no would be fine.

Not my job to approve or disaprove such things. Besides that the Law of the land takes precedence over personal issues.

As an aside, one of the better things that New Labour have done is streamline and bring up to date the relevant legislation in this area. It was madness that until 2003 the UK was still using the emergency Defence (Customs) Act of 1939 when the world and technology had moved on.