SWP at the Climate Camp?
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Their programme on the environment is piss poor, to quote, 'Workers create all the wealth under capitalism.'
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What's wrong with that? And what's it got to do with the enviroment?
To be honest, the SWP rarely seem to care about an issue for its own sake, whether they show up or not. Building the party takes precedence over everything.
What does it not say about the environment?
First of all I'm not a supporter of Climate Camp nor the Green movement as I believe that they contain the same culture of authoritarianism as other extremists although they cloak it in a green filter.
This action by the swaps is really par for the course. I would advise those in Climate Camp to be extremely wary of SWP involvement in their organisation. They do have a track record of taking over and hollowing out organisations. They have destroyed the STWC and caused the general population to see that Left groups have no credibility via the encouragement of stupidities like the 'we are all Hezbollah' chants on demos. They destroyed Anti fash activities in Barking by being dickheads and via their Respect vehicle they have legitimised the idea of voting on the grounds of race and religion, the negative effects of this we will see in the future.
If Climate Camp wants to retain any credibility whatsoever they will need to resist this infiltration by the SWP. They must do this swiftly, effectively and publicly. The swaps are not stupid they are not going to be walking into events wearing badges saying 'I'm an SWP Tosser', they will be going in incognito.
They must be flushed out, exposed and removed. Basically if you want your group to be democratic then the SWP must be excluded from anything that you do.
Look at it this way, would you tolerate a takeover of your group by a far right group? You wouldn't and the same disgust and 'being intolerant to intolerance' that would be aimed at the far right needs to be aimed at the SWP as well.
This action by the swaps is really par for the course. I would advise those in Climate Camp to be extremely wary of SWP involvement in their organisation. They do have a track record of taking over and hollowing out organisations. They have destroyed the STWC and caused the general population to see that Left groups have no credibility via the encouragement of stupidities like the 'we are all Hezbollah' chants on demos. They destroyed Anti fash activities in Barking by being dickheads and via their Respect vehicle they have legitimised the idea of voting on the grounds of race and religion, the negative effects of this we will see in the future.
If Climate Camp wants to retain any credibility whatsoever they will need to resist this infiltration by the SWP. They must do this swiftly, effectively and publicly. The swaps are not stupid they are not going to be walking into events wearing badges saying 'I'm an SWP Tosser', they will be going in incognito.
They must be flushed out, exposed and removed. Basically if you want your group to be democratic then the SWP must be excluded from anything that you do.
Look at it this way, would you tolerate a takeover of your group by a far right group? You wouldn't and the same disgust and 'being intolerant to intolerance' that would be aimed at the far right needs to be aimed at the SWP as well.
It's getting better all the time!marvelous stuff! keep it coming
It's getting better all the time!
Yeah trotbots if they were not so dangerous they would be funny; Trying to have a conversation with them normally gets the response:
'DOES NOT COMPUTE. MUST AWAIT INSTRUCTIONS FROM CENTRAL COMMITTEE....'
Remember its the Swaps who are responsible for the rise in left wing antisemitism and other dodgy activities.
When it comes to the SWP the only course of action is for groups to find 'em, kick 'em out and keep 'em out.
Fantastic!
Whats wrong about that? Many of us have seen otherwise good or positive groups reduced to shells by the swaps.
dennisr
the acceptable face
so the world financial markets are going belly up, US politicians have rapidly speeded up the process for their own either populist or ideological reasons (i suspect populist in the main) and the anarchos and swappies spend their time trading petty and slightly paranoid insults regarding interventions at varous piddling events. Good to know you all have your priorities sorted 
so the world financial markets are going belly up, US politicians have rapidly speeded up the process for their own either populist or ideological reasons (i suspect populist in the main) and the anarchos and swappies spend their time trading petty and slightly paranoid insults regarding interventions at varous piddling events. Good to know you all have your priorities sorted
Well,it helps pass the time.
dennisr
the acceptable face
so the world financial markets are going belly up, US politicians have rapidly speeded up the process for their own either populist or ideological reasons (i suspect populist in the main) and the anarchos and swappies spend their time trading petty and slightly paranoid insults regarding interventions at varous piddling events. Good to know you all have your priorities sorted
Catastrophist!
dennisr
the acceptable face
- Actually, even I was surprised at that vote yesterday - it puts meat on the bones of the idea that the ruling class start revolutions by their actions. Genuinely funny to see Bush's face after the vote against the bailout - I almost (almost...) felt sorry for him The desperate "vote for me I'm for the little man" populism will come back and bite their arses. Much like it will the tories on this side of the pond
whats that old chinese insult again - "may you live in interesting times"
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
The desperate "vote for me I'm for the little man" populism will come back and bite their arses. Much like it will the tories on this side of the pond
whats that old chinese insult again - "may you live in interesting times"
'Dave' Cameron was saying exactly that this morning on the BBC news, telling the interviewer that people know that he understands the strains on the shopping budget. That like them he too feels the strain.......
And the award for ironic interview if the year goes to..............
dennisr
the acceptable face
I'm surprised the press and New labour haven't made more of a fuss about the level of finance capital - and short-selling hedge funders in particular - direct financial support of the all 'new' Cameron tory party.
I suppose they all have a lot to hide, glass houses and all that
come on all you feckers - where's all your triumphal capitalist codswallop now? convince me... more importantly convince everybody else...
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
There was one article over the weekend, but i didn't see anything else. Where the hell are the labour strategists? Oh yeah, they don't want to start that game lest they pull the rug from under their own feet as well.I'm surprised the press and New labour haven't made more of a fuss about the level of finance capital - and short-selling hedge funders in particular - direct financial support of the all 'new' Cameron tory party.
I suppose they all have a lot to hide, glass houses and all that
come on all you feckers - where's all your triumphal capitalist codswallop now? convince me... more importantly convince everybody else...
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That's beer money to Cameron - he doesn't live off his salary.
dennisr
the acceptable face
Most people can be fooled some of the time - so i imagine the tories will get in at the next election - its a bit of a poisoned chalice though - a bit like Brown is finding out at the moment of achieving his lifelong 'ambition' though, Cameron won't be able to fool most folk for very long.
dennisr
the acceptable face
every anti-system person - anarcho, swappie, socialist, catastrophist - whatever should be laughing their socks off at what is happening at the moment.
Yep, ordinary folk will inevitably have to pay a price - but whats new there
Bush's face was a picture yesterday - and that vote a defining moment in the desperation and confusion of those who have told us for decades how fantastic and rosy the garden was (and how there was no alternative to their garden in any case)
Yep, ordinary folk will inevitably have to pay a price - but whats new there
Bush's face was a picture yesterday - and that vote a defining moment in the desperation and confusion of those who have told us for decades how fantastic and rosy the garden was (and how there was no alternative to their garden in any case)
What, at the high price of fuel, food and other goods needed to get by?
Or the current state of the financial sector?
In the 19th century during the crises, a growing socialist movement could take advantage of the situation. In the 1930s, people pointed to the Soviet Union as an 'alternative' which was unaffected by the depression. In 2008...is there an alternative? Are people even looking for one? Is anyone providing one?
dennisr
the acceptable face
Did i say laughing at the price of food etc? Laughing back at the arrogant ejets that led the rest of us into this situation isn't a moral crime as far as I know
mk, its gonna happen weather you like it or not, weather you think you can do anything about it or not, weather you think its all hopeless or not - and recognising their limitations is a step towards answering your next inevitable question...
...and here it comes...
mk - has your whole life simply been waiting for things to happen to you?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It's a bit like (to use a fav P&P/ICC metaphor) some mad bloke running down the street stabbing and slashing people, then turning around and demanding of everyone else why aren't they helping his victims - don't they care?!
dennisr
the acceptable face
the problem is that the mad fella have been running the show for a while now
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That's the point of the crap example!
biff curtains
Fred West or Fred Housego
This finance stuff is just a minor hiccup.
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