Sweden v England
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zed said:
I forget. There were periods in the previous tournament. But considering a good number of the England players are world class (Rooney, both Coles, Robinson, Terry, Ferdinand, Lampard, Gerrard, etc), what is tedious is the complete rejection of them. It is also bullshit to say that other coaches praise them for politically correct reasons, but say other things in private. Unless you can prove it of course.
The only teams I would say are better than us are Brazil and Argentina, but neither of those are unbeatable.
Harold Hill
Jay Emm forgot his p/word
jonnyd1978 said:
No need to cry.
It was a great goal but people are comparing it to Albertos in 1970. Not as skilful or iconic as that move. Just a really good team goal.
Harold Hill
Jay Emm forgot his p/word
I wasn't that displeased. Despite losing Owen in the first minute England coped well after 5/10 minutes and were well on top going it half time. Englands goos spells are getting better with every game.
Once Lagerbeck had marshalled his defence to stop Joe Cole knowing Beckham would be stuck too deep to be that effective, then the impetus went to the Swedes. Who then went on to prove they were worse than us imo. Bits of pressure but other than Ljungberg, no one really that frightening. Englands defending cost them the goals, not any Swedish creativity.
Swedes I've met in the last 24 hours seem to think they were robbed. Sorry but the stats say otherwise.
I think we looked worse than this in Italia 90 bar gascoignes technique (of which a fit Rooney is better). Unless there is improvement we're probably out in the Quarter Finals but once Sven bows to pressure (as he always does) and plays Rooney behind a 5 on Sunday, the team playing will be the team every other decent manger who could be doing the job would have picked.
Semis will still be a great achievement I think. Much of this squad will still be around in 2010 (despite all the 'best chance to win in a generation' bollocks and most will be around 29/30. Rooney will still only be 24.
Is there any particular ABE point that isn't particulalrly absurd as I can't be bothered trawling 13 pages.
Once Lagerbeck had marshalled his defence to stop Joe Cole knowing Beckham would be stuck too deep to be that effective, then the impetus went to the Swedes. Who then went on to prove they were worse than us imo. Bits of pressure but other than Ljungberg, no one really that frightening. Englands defending cost them the goals, not any Swedish creativity.
Swedes I've met in the last 24 hours seem to think they were robbed. Sorry but the stats say otherwise.
I think we looked worse than this in Italia 90 bar gascoignes technique (of which a fit Rooney is better). Unless there is improvement we're probably out in the Quarter Finals but once Sven bows to pressure (as he always does) and plays Rooney behind a 5 on Sunday, the team playing will be the team every other decent manger who could be doing the job would have picked.
Semis will still be a great achievement I think. Much of this squad will still be around in 2010 (despite all the 'best chance to win in a generation' bollocks and most will be around 29/30. Rooney will still only be 24.
Is there any particular ABE point that isn't particulalrly absurd as I can't be bothered trawling 13 pages.
muser said:
I cannot believe you think England played well against Portugal. They should have won, defintely, but I thought they were negative for much of that game.
The 5-1 was a freak result and the team they did it against was crap on an off night. But they did play very well, I accept. The performance in that friendly in Geneva was not bad, but I wouldn't call it very good. Last truly great England performance I can remember (apart from the 5-1) was in 1996 against Holland.
I think I just want England to play the game beautifully ....like Argentina, Brazil often do and how Holland and the French used to do sometimes. Maybe I expect too much.
If me seeing England win something during my lifetime meant them achieving it by doing what Greece did in 2004, I'd rather it didn't happen.
A team has to have some dignity.
Sven is the only manager to ever change the ENTIRE team at half time, a tactic that has since been banned.
Managers don't have enough time with the team is a complaint I read, but then the players don't get enough time to play together either, is spending half of the time heading to the world cup changing half the team and limiting the time they can play together really a good idea?
He played about 10 different players that he had NO intention of taking to the World Cup and how do I know he had no intention of it?
Cause he took a 17 year old he has NEVER seen play, who has never played in an international in his life.
The man is a disgrace to English football and as I said before, anything England achieves they achieve in spite of Sven, not because of him.
For the record, Hoddle's record is about the same as Svens record, 60% ish win rate.
Look back at some of our other managers and you might think Sven has a good record, then look at the teams that those managers had to play with and realise that "I" could have managed the current England team and got that sort of record, a monkey could have managed the England team and matched Svens record.
Managers don't have enough time with the team is a complaint I read, but then the players don't get enough time to play together either, is spending half of the time heading to the world cup changing half the team and limiting the time they can play together really a good idea?
He played about 10 different players that he had NO intention of taking to the World Cup and how do I know he had no intention of it?
Cause he took a 17 year old he has NEVER seen play, who has never played in an international in his life.
The man is a disgrace to English football and as I said before, anything England achieves they achieve in spite of Sven, not because of him.
For the record, Hoddle's record is about the same as Svens record, 60% ish win rate.
Look back at some of our other managers and you might think Sven has a good record, then look at the teams that those managers had to play with and realise that "I" could have managed the current England team and got that sort of record, a monkey could have managed the England team and matched Svens record.
The problem England has with Sven Goren, he is constantly adapting to counter the other team's style and tactics when the developement of a cohesive and intergrated team play would have greater benifits. The stabilsation and a consistent set of players would achieve more than the constant tinkering.
Geoff Hurst commented that the 66 squad played 6 or 7 games previous to the World Cup with the same line up giving the team time and matches to develop together.
Something that Sven goren seems unable to consider or carry out.
It's now 40 games since we last won a game against Sweden.
Geoff Hurst commented that the 66 squad played 6 or 7 games previous to the World Cup with the same line up giving the team time and matches to develop together.
Something that Sven goren seems unable to consider or carry out.
It's now 40 games since we last won a game against Sweden.
Zed quote: If me seeing England win something during my lifetime meant them achieving it by doing what Greece did in 2004, I'd rather it didn't happen.
I'm so desperate to see it happen I don't care if we win ulgy, then learn how to play the beautiful game. It's been too long.
I'm so desperate to see it happen I don't care if we win ulgy, then learn how to play the beautiful game. It's been too long.
muser said:
Yeah, you're probably right. Me too. I have invested a lot of time screaming at the telly and making an idiot of myself in pubs watching England to not want some payback.
Sometimes I feel that having supported England for more than 30 years is like being a punter at a roulette table who has spunked all his money and is borrowing more money to chase his dough back. But takes the piss out of it all to try and pretend he doesn't care.
Descartes said:
If it wasn't meant in that context, why did it come immediately after "Something that Sven goren seems unable to consider or carry out."
Sorry if I misunderstood you, but it seemed to me that you were linking England's continuing failure to win against Sweden to Sven being manager.
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ZAMB said:
more to the point, what do you mean? 40 games against Sweden?
we've only met them 22 times
Zamb,
I am going to claim tiredness and a typo but the facts...
"I've my own theory," Lagerback said when asked why it is 38 years and 13 matches since England last beat his country. "We have had many, many players playing in the Premier League for many years and they know the English players and their mentality. It's always been a positive challenge when we play England."
The brit press were quoting 39... and in my haste... didn't read the complete artice .... but to your credit, you spotted the deliberate.... NO. I'm joking... my apologies...
Regards
I am going to claim tiredness and a typo but the facts...
"I've my own theory," Lagerback said when asked why it is 38 years and 13 matches since England last beat his country. "We have had many, many players playing in the Premier League for many years and they know the English players and their mentality. It's always been a positive challenge when we play England."
The brit press were quoting 39... and in my haste... didn't read the complete artice .... but to your credit, you spotted the deliberate.... NO. I'm joking... my apologies...
Regards
