Swatting claims its first victim.

Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by likesfish, Dec 31, 2017.

  1. Yossarian

    Yossarian free shrugs

    The 21-year-old in Coventry is a different case, where the victim was shot in the face with rubber bullets and survived, I think they're still working on extradition in that case.
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  2. Spymaster

    Spymaster Trigger

    But does it satisfy the mens rea for murder?
  3. Idaho

    Idaho blah blah blah

    You are making a number of clumsy assumptions, conclusions based on limited knowledge, and personal fatwas based on your beliefs - whilst perceiving all as common sense.

    The law is both interpretation and precident. In murder cases, there have been instances where just a recklessness as to the result of actions has been taken to be sufficient mens rea. Also we have recently started to see criminal cases at the corporate level (corporate manslaughter). In the context of this discussion I think it is reasonable to suggest operating practices of armed police need to held to account on both these fronts. Unless you are happy enough for the level of judicial killings to keep rising?
  4. Spymaster

    Spymaster Trigger

    You're quoting a response regarding the caller and conflating it with the actions of the shooter? The only clumsy assumptions here are those accusing either of murder.
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  5. Idaho

    Idaho blah blah blah

    I don't care about the caller. That bit is a red herring.
  6. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt Dyslexic King Cnut the Great.

    Sometimes I wished I lived in your black & white world.
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  7. Spymaster

    Spymaster Trigger

    Accusing the policeman of murder based on what's been reported is equally ridiculous.
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  8. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    Be careful what you wish for
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  9. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt Dyslexic King Cnut the Great.


    Sorted! :thumbs:
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  10. A380

    A380 How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?

    Standard issue to the old bill. Along with the 20/20 hindsight binoculars and the magic cuddling tongs that can restrain a roided up 16 stone man armed with a hand gun without injury, or upsetting anyone who watches on Facebook later.
  11. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt Dyslexic King Cnut the Great.

    And, you're a fucking dickhead.
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  12. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    I see you're still full of good will :)
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  13. dylanredefined

    dylanredefined Not a house elf a tiger

    You have been told the guy in there is a deranged murderer with hostages lots of training scenarios will have had the unarmed guy suddenly produce a gun so any sudden movement might get you shot. Stuff you might do when SWAT breaks your door down. Adrenaline plays tricks with your mind.
    No we use fmj rounds as per treaties, they are cheap, and all ways feed some guns don,t like hollow points. Police use hollow points as one round will drop a target not go straight through and hit someone else. While the Army will happily shoot the enemy with what ever we can again and again and then bayonet the remains to make sure.
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  14. petee

    petee i'm spartacus

  15. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

  16. Gromit

    Gromit International Man of Misery

    Misconception that hollow points won’t pass though. You get an exit wound. A very nasty exit wound of fragmented bullet pieces which can still travel, hit and injure another person. The round just won’t travel as far as a FMJ so there is less chance of colateral damage from a through and through. But still a chance.

    The reason hollow points do more damage to an individual is not because it bounces around inside like a pinball but to do with internal shockwaves. I’d explain the physics but can’t be arsed.

    Flachette rounds are what do the worst shockwave damage of all.
  17. Bernie Gunther

    Bernie Gunther Fundamentalist Druid

    Militarisation of US (and elsewhere) cops is an issue for all kinds of reasons, from putting arms manufacturers profits ahead of public safety to the various racial angles.

    I think it's hard to argue, given the body of evidence around this phenomenon, that 'swatting' someone isn't knowingly putting them at a significant risk of getting shot.

    The Militarization of U.S. Police: Finally Dragged Into the Light by the Horrors of Ferguson

    Analysis | Does military equipment lead police officers to be more violent? We did the research.

    Opinion | ‘Do Not Resist’: A chilling look at the normalization of warrior cops
  18. Idaho

    Idaho blah blah blah

    What's the point in being involved in a discussion if you are going to randomly change topics? Especially to one which is broadly uncontested - ie me being a dickhead. I am a dickhead, but this fact is not germane to the discussion. Start a new thread to discuss it.
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  19. likesfish

    likesfish officaly hardest and most tooled up urbanite:)

    There is a very depressing article ny times article about some kid in Canada swatted and online abused nearly a 100 women The Serial Swatter

    16 year old kid no remorse no understanding of the damage he did and egged on by similar morons:mad: authorities found him fast let him out on bail and he just got worse :(
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  20. skyscraper101

    skyscraper101 0891 50 50 50

    There was a spate of it happening when I lived in LA. Someone did it to Justin Bieber's house a couple of times.
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  21. Spymaster

    Spymaster Trigger

    Any cop who shoots Bieber should get promoted.
  22. Idaho

    Idaho blah blah blah

    It's alarming enough that calling armed police to someone's house has a significant chance of getting them killed. It's doubly alarming that there are many who are not only unsurprised, but see it as an acceptable and logical state of affairs.
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  23. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    Out of curiosity has it happened since you left?
  24. Spymaster

    Spymaster Trigger

    Don't be a bell.

    This isn't just a case of the police being 'called to someone's house'. As far as they were concerned they were attending the house of a man who had just shot his father to death and was holding the rest of his family hostage.
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  25. Idaho

    Idaho blah blah blah

    Their standard operating procedure should be that they turn up without assuming that they are going to assault the building with deadly force.
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  26. Spymaster

    Spymaster Trigger

    Did they assault the building then?
  27. Idaho

    Idaho blah blah blah

    You've got me banged to rights. Those police done good. I hope in the future that a police tip off continues to be a death sentence.
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  28. Bernie Gunther

    Bernie Gunther Fundamentalist Druid

    Yeah, that's kinda why I included the 'Normalisation' article, although that mostly talks about normalisation of paramilitary violence and oppression in the context of cop culture (and that of cop in-groups like ex-SF types who train cops).

    There's also a wider cultural thing about normalising this sort of stuff in much broader in-groups though, which I think you're right to point out.

    It'd be interesting to see some analysis of just how widespread that sort of acceptance of paramilitary policing goes and what the vectors of it are.

    I'd offer the analogy of the 'Satanic Panics' in which fundies trained cops and social workers to lock up loads of innocent people based on delusions about 'Satanic Ritual Abuse'. Reading the analysis in the aftermath, it's clear that a kind of cultural change occurred in cop/social services circles that suppressed common sense scepticism about all this stuff. (ETA - and was normalised to the wider culture by sensationalist reporting & 'crusading' MPs and journalists)

    I wonder if something similar happens around paramilitary cop culture, in terms of suppressing attitudes to public safety appropriate to what cops are supposed by most of society to be for, in favour of attitudes more appropriate to colonial war.
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  29. Idaho

    Idaho blah blah blah

    An anecdote on that from my own locale. A friend and his daughter were in town Christmas shopping and there were policemen with machine guns patrolling. The daughter (young teenager) thought it was reassuring. My friend, the father, commented that as a brown skinned man it made him feel significantly less safe.
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  30. Spymaster

    Spymaster Trigger

    cupid_stunt was right. You're a thoughtless dickhead.
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