SW CC don't aim 2 promote a classless society, thier aim is the CC 2B a ruling elite.

[butchersapron]

The very fact that the SWP CC promote a vanguardist approach reveals them to have no ambition whatsoever to promote the idea of a "classless society", but rather a society with fewer strata, perhaps merely a nomenklatura and a proleteriat.

Seems prety sensible and non-looney to me. Don't replicate the structures of the society that you want to get beyond in the one you think needs to lead the w/c in that mission.

 

[Lo Siento.]

be pretty crappy Leninists if they didn´t want to be in charge of the revolution. Aren´t they supposed to be the historical consciousness of the global working class?

 

[butchersapron]

I think rmp3 might be asking us to help him reject his leninism here, in his own clodhopping fashion.

 

[AKA pseudonym]

ffs swp FAIL

hope this poll was cleared at least nc level...

 

[danny la rouge]

I think rmp3 might be asking us to help him reject his leninism here, in his own clodhopping fashion.

Ah, is that it?

Oh, OK. Vanguardism is crap. And middle class vanguardists are crapper.

There.

 

[Random]

They've been lying to you all along!!!!

 

[ViolentPanda]

When I asked an anarchist recently, the reply was.
.
btw nomenklatura = ruling elite

I just wondered how widespread this idea that SWP CC have no ambition to promote a "classless society", rather a society with fewer strata, perhaps merely a nomenklatura and a proleteriat, was.

I wholeheartedly agree with the obviously-perceptive person who wrote what you're quoting.

Then again, I would.
Because it was me.

 

[JimW]

...the third way...

Crypto-fascist

 

[Random]

Can we all just unite around The Anarcho-Pandist Perspective and give RMP3 the closure that he needs. Jim, can you write it out in Chinese to make it look more communist and proper?

 

[ViolentPanda]

You don't ask coherant questions or set your topic out coherantly. This is not their fault, it's yours.

That's because he's not actually interested in the answers beyond some childish urge to rubbish anyone and/or anything that doesn't marry up to his own narrow ideological foundations.

 

[scawenb]

Isn't it the SWP CC? And how would anyone know what their true intention? And is it just the CC that is the elite not the wider party or the full timers? And does it apply equally to other socialist CCs or is it unique to the SWP? Does it matter? Is this post so far up its own obbsessive bottom that it could hardly makes a coherent threat if we all tried?

 

[Pickman's model]

When I asked an anarchist recently, the reply was.
.
btw nomenklatura = ruling elite

I just wondered how widespread this idea that SWP CC have no ambition to promote a "classless society", rather a society with fewer strata, perhaps merely a nomenklatura and a proleteriat, was.

i'd have thought that even a shitfer like you could put together a fucking public poll

 

[danny la rouge]

Can we all just unite around The Anarcho-Pandist Perspective and give RMP3 the closure that he needs. Jim, can you write it out in Chinese to make it look more communist and proper?

Platformist!

 

[Pickman's model]

Platformist!

 

[TremulousTetra]

Seems prety sensible and non-looney to me. Don't replicate the structures of the society that you want to get beyond in the one you think needs to lead the w/c in that mission.

that isn't what was said though is it?

The very fact that the SWP CC promote a vanguardist approach reveals them to have no ambition whatsoever to promote the idea of a "classless society", but rather a society with fewer strata, perhaps merely a nomenklatura and a proleteriat

.


I was pretty shocked. VP is one of the more sensible reasonable anarchists. If you add to what he says, the fact that trotskyists believe there can only be a revolution, this is no less than a conspiracy by the cc to take over the world.

 

[ViolentPanda]

most of the content is quoting an anarchist, so I agreed.

Most of the content is you quoting part of a series of replies I made to some of your gibberings.

 

[butchersapron]

that isn't what was said though is it?

It was actually.

 

[TremulousTetra]

i'd have thought that even a shitfer like you could put together a fucking public poll

no obviously not.

 

[butchersapron]

If you add to what he says, the fact that trotskyists believe there can only be a revolution, this is no less than a conspiracy by the cc to take over the world.

Seek help

 

[danny la rouge]

I was pretty shocked.

No, you weren't.

 

[Pickman's model]

no obviously not.

no indeed. there seems to be no end to your inabilities.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Reformed ham-like substance, or ham?

Reformist ham?
Filth!!

 

[TremulousTetra]

Most of the content is you quoting part of a series of replies I made to some of your gibberings.

thats right most of it IS one full reply you gave to 1 direct question about motive.

 

[danny la rouge]

Reformist ham?
Filth!!

It's kosher, though.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Your words conspiracy theory merchant.

I KNOW they're my words, you gimp.
I stand by them.
What is a "revolutionary vanguard" if it isn't an "elite", eh?
And by the way, it's quite easy to punctuate using speech recognition software (I do it all the time), so why not give it a try?

 

[TremulousTetra]

no indeed. there seems to be no end to your inabilities.

true, if I'd only been fortunate enough to have your superior education, i could be a snobby as you.

no way.

 

[Pickman's model]

I KNOW they're my words, you gimp.
I stand by them.
What is a "revolutionary vanguard" if it isn't an "elite", eh?
And by the way, it's quite easy to punctuate using speech recognition software (I do it all the time), so why not give it a try?

as i've said, there's no end to his inabilities.

 

[ViolentPanda]

RMP3 is giving Callinicos head as we speak!

Could have been worse, he could have been tonguing German.

 

[Pickman's model]

true, if I'd only been fortunate enough to have your superior education, i could be a snobby as you.

no way.

example of snobbery pls.

 

[Pickman's model]

Could have been worse, he could have been tonguing German.

he wouldn't, though, she's left the nefandous party