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Suu Kyi to face trial over that american twat

teqniq said:
I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt
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Implied face palms need to be labelled as such, otherwise it's merely an irrelevant picture of Tommy Lee Jones...

For example, note how the following indicates clearly that it is an implied face palm...

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Heh, I actually liked it more without the text, which is why i chose it. Anyways it seems likely I mistook your sarcasm for naivety. Apologies if that is the case. :)
 
Meanwhile, this most bizarre of affairs continues. DASSK testifying today, obviously denying charges that she violated her house arrest. Weird evidence that the American had brought to her house, like two Muslim burqa things with the obvious implication that they were going to escape with the burqas somehow rendering them both invisible to the security forces. http://www.irrawaddy.org/article.php?art_id=15738

Only slightlty less mind-boggling is the junta's statement to the effect that they had been considering DASSK's release. http://english.dvb.no/news.php?id=2553 Hard to believe a word of that.
 
Read about the American twat's amazing testimony in court yesterday!

http://www.irrawaddy.org/highlight.php?art_id=15765&page=2

When a prosecution lawyer asked Yettaw whether he was making this statement about “walking through” the lake for the first time, Yettaw replied that he had repeatedly told police this during his interrogation, but the police officers did not record the details...

According to lawyers who were present in the courtroom, when Yettaw, a Mormon, took the stand for the first time he told the court that he was "sent by God" to warn both her and the Burmese junta of a "terrorist plot” to assassinate her...

According to Suu Kyi’s lawyer Nyan Win, Yettaw testified that—on the night of May 3—as he was entering Suu Kyi’s compound, four or five policemen saw him and threw stones at him...

Yettaw reportedly told the court that police evidence, including the Book of Mormon, a video camera, black Muslim robes, stockings and dark glasses were left behind in the lakeside house.
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fela fan said:
Funny if it wasn't so funny!

No chance mate, flu is around, panic in the streets is around, who's she...? What's burma...?
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Suu Kyi's arrest got a reasonable amount of coverage back in May when swine flu was in the news a lot more - quarantines, the first clusters of deaths, build-up to declaring a pandemic, etc.
 
Right, it's that time again. The smart money is on another delay ostensibly due to Yettaw's illness, but it appears there are deeper reasons behind the predicted postponement, even beyond the playing-for-time option:

The delays in the court proceeding against Aung San Suu Kyi are caused by disagreements within the military regime over how severely to punish her, according to Burmese army sources.

Some generals—notably Gen Thiha Thura Tin Aung Myint Oo, Secretary 1 of the ruling military council—are said to want to see her imprisoned. Others are reportedly in favor of a more lenient sentence for the Nobel Peace Prize laureate, who was being held in house detention until the start of her trial in May.
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http://www.irrawaddy.org/article.php?art_id=16517

Splits within the army are exactly what is needed here, but what's more significant is what the top brass are united on: that DASSK must be kept out of politics for the forseeable future.

When the verdict was due to be announced last time, there were riot police and pissed-up thugs in open trucks everywhere. Not evidence of that today.
 
Guilty. 3 years in prison with hard labour, but generously commuted to 18 months house arrest by the ever magnanimous Than Shwe.

Following the reading of Ms Suu Kyi's sentence there was a five-minute recess before the country's home minister entered the courtroom and read out a special order from Burma's military ruler Than Shwe.

The order said he was commuting the sentence and that it could be served under house arrest.
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I'm hearing rumours that Yettaw, the American Mormon twat who broke in, has got 7 years hard labour.
 
No diplomatic solutions appear to be in the offing. Pressure from western countries yields little, even pressure from China and ASEAN has its limits. Now Burma is teaming up with North Korea, another country impervious to outside influences and pressure until it suits them.

Nuking Naypyidaw would yield immediate tangible results though.
 
Any real pressure from ASEAN though? They, along with China, India and Japan are happy enough to consume Burma's resources. Thailand also gets cheap labour from Burmese refugees working illegally. I've no confidence the countries of the region are doing anything more than a bit of hand-wringing.

I hadn't heard about a N Korea connection before, that can only make things worse. I'm sure the generals running each country will be happy to swap tips about repression, too.
 
ASEAN - Thailand especially under the new PM - appear increasingly frustrated by Burma, but are unwilling to go any further due to their daft 'non-interference in internal affairs' rule.

The North Korean connection has become very strong recently, and involves Burma selling uranium to NK in return for weapons and 'technology'. See link below. It could change the Burma situation from one of internal affairs only to regional stability - certainly of interest to governments, but I think that even the most sympathetic of activists based in the west would be somewhat hesitant to sieze on defectors' talk of nuclear ambitions.

http://www.irrawaddy.org/article.php?art_id=16469
 
I cannot see, nor have ever seen, a solution to burma's problems coming from anywhere else in the world. ASEAN countries won't interfere due to their unwritten rule, ostensibly in place because at the time it was made none of the countries' leaders would have fancied the book being thrown at them. Probably still wouldn't.

And china and india are greedy.

And the rest of the world don't give a toss. It's a capitalist jungle, and it's dog eat dog, and war is everywhere.

Only solution lies with the burmese people themselves, and that will only work if collectively they're prepared to be killed in their thousands or even hundreds of thousands in the carnage that will follow their revolution: the soldiers will be ordered to fire on their fellow burmese people as in the past, and it can only be won by the people when the ammunition runs out and/or renegade soldiers finally cannot bear the human carnage their brothers have unleashed.

There really is no other possible change to the current situation for the foreseeable future. It's an indictment on the world for sure, both on the leaders and the peoples, but that's because it's a sad insane place we've created for ourselves. Burma is evidence of this.
 
kyser_soze said:
Such as?
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Don't know which bit you are asking me about.

Personally i've followed the burma situation for nearly two decades now, unsurprisingly since i live next door to the country.

The only outside intervention that has made any kind of attempt to right the horrors going on in that giant prison camp have been the odd journos and, for a few years back in the 90s, the two main english language newspapers in thailand.

Anything else, say by the UN, or that clinton woman, or the odd congressman from the US (with one or two noble exceptions), or the EU, or anybody in a political context, has just been blowing hot air. They say a load of good-sounding waffle, then move on, quickly forgetting the 'story'.

It was my optimistic belief that the UN was set up to deal with just such contexts. The early 90s shattered that understanding of mine at the time.

The massive uprising in 89 (or was it 88 i think) was overshadowed in the world media by tianneman in china. Then the brutal slaying of burmese monks a short while ago received media time for a while, then entirely predictably it all got forgotten about. Even threads here on urban get very little reaction. It's just the way it is of humans in our modern world.

Pilger is a friend of the country from the excellent work he has done. Larry Jagan is another that comes to mind, and a few others whose names i forget who used to fully inform the readerships of the Nation and the Bangkok Post in thailand back in the 90s of what was going on in the country.

So, in my near-20 year observation of the burmese situation, and any outside reactions to it, i can safely say what i said above.

As for what the outside world can do about the situation, that again is easy to see, but it will unfortunately remain theory because no-one really gives a shit, apart from blowing a bit of hot air from time to time.

And perhaps i'm wrong, perhaps there is nothing that can be done legally. Only an invasion by those global 'police' the US and UK with their other support act Australia, could be the answer. But i don't go for that route. What it does say though is that humans have shown themselves to have extremely limited ability in looking after their brothers and sisters at the hands of oppressors, unless those oppressors have something the global police want. Then action is easy.

It's a dark stain on our species, but there again, there's evidence of that wherever you look in this largely mad world.
 
isitme said:
what do you suggest? writing a letter?
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Reforming the UN to reflect the aspirations of each and every nation on earth, and doing away with the InSecurity Council of those five ego-mad nations on it.

Then using it as some kind of enforcer (which in fact would be one of its main roles) in terms of international business between nations, blockading any exports (and imports of weaponry) from burma for the required amount of time it took to get those generals out of their position.

Yes, that would put the UN into a sort of global policeman/jury/judge position, but that's what we already have, except it's called the US, along with it's trusty lieutenant the UK. We have it via the set-up at the UN, ie the five member InSecurity Council, and through the auspices of the WHO, the World Bank, and the IMF.

And in any case, the newly formed UN would be that policeman but it would be reflecting the will of every country in the world, not just five of them.

But, pipe dream over for now. Forget about such foolish justice-seeking nonsense. We want war for fucks sake man, WAR is what we want!! We're a political animal, not an empathetic one. We have chosen war as our default in life, not peace. And some suffer more than others. Burmese people are one example of this.
 
so other than military intervention (poassibly through the UN) what are the other "lots" of things that can be done?
 
So long as India, China, and yes, even Thailand play the 'so what' card on this, nothing will ever be done. The sad plight of ASSK only ever comes to light for most people when she hits the news, otherwise she is alone and hopeless.

I too have been following her life for a couple of decades, know Burmese people who are personal friends of her, and for all that they love her, they know she is going to die 'in custody' - the generals can never release her.

Oh, and how come no one seems to see that the 'intruder escapade' was a set up at a very convenient time? Surely the USA must be looking into his arrest and imprisonment? The bloke is unbalanced, and as such easily brainwashed into doing as he was ordered, believing it to be his fault.

But then . . . . . . . who really gives a dam. :rolleyes:
 
fela fan said:
Don't know which bit you are asking me about.

Personally i've followed the burma situation for nearly two decades now, unsurprisingly since i live next door to the country.

The only outside intervention that has made any kind of attempt to right the horrors going on in that giant prison camp have been the odd journos and, for a few years back in the 90s, the two main english language newspapers in thailand.

Anything else, say by the UN, or that clinton woman, or the odd congressman from the US (with one or two noble exceptions), or the EU, or anybody in a political context, has just been blowing hot air. They say a load of good-sounding waffle, then move on, quickly forgetting the 'story'.

It was my optimistic belief that the UN was set up to deal with just such contexts. The early 90s shattered that understanding of mine at the time.

The massive uprising in 89 (or was it 88 i think) was overshadowed in the world media by tianneman in china. Then the brutal slaying of burmese monks a short while ago received media time for a while, then entirely predictably it all got forgotten about. Even threads here on urban get very little reaction. It's just the way it is of humans in our modern world.

Pilger is a friend of the country from the excellent work he has done. Larry Jagan is another that comes to mind, and a few others whose names i forget who used to fully inform the readerships of the Nation and the Bangkok Post in thailand back in the 90s of what was going on in the country.

So, in my near-20 year observation of the burmese situation, and any outside reactions to it, i can safely say what i said above.

As for what the outside world can do about the situation, that again is easy to see, but it will unfortunately remain theory because no-one really gives a shit, apart from blowing a bit of hot air from time to time.

And perhaps i'm wrong, perhaps there is nothing that can be done legally. Only an invasion by those global 'police' the US and UK with their other support act Australia, could be the answer. But i don't go for that route. What it does say though is that humans have shown themselves to have extremely limited ability in looking after their brothers and sisters at the hands of oppressors, unless those oppressors have something the global police want. Then action is easy.

It's a dark stain on our species, but there again, there's evidence of that wherever you look in this largely mad world.
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I would have thought that my original post, quoting your statement:

Absolutely plenty of things they can do. But nothing that they will do.
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would be enough. But clearly it wasn't so I'll ask again:

What can be done by the international community to resolve the situation in Burma? I mean I'm assuming you're not about to advocate an armed invasion of the place, so what else could be done?
 
kyser_soze said:
I would have thought that my original post, quoting your statement:



would be enough. But clearly it wasn't so I'll ask again:

What can be done by the international community to resolve the situation in Burma? I mean I'm assuming you're not about to advocate an armed invasion of the place, so what else could be done?
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Your sarcasm is unwarranted, but that aside your question could have equally applied to my 'can' or my 'will' in that statement of mine.

Interestingly i've already given one answer in the post before my reply to you. Perhaps you didn't read that post?

My statement that you replied to was replying to another poster who wondered what the outside world could do. My answer was plenty in theory, but nothing in practice due to a complete lack of will, and due to the current set-up of how humans organise their world on an inter-nation basis. I then explained what kind of set-up might see things differently.

Purves has mentioned an armed embargo, but that would require a greedy china to desist from selling arms. I mentioned the need to enforce a complete import/export ban for a period of time, for similar outcomes to the arms embargo, but other countries' corporations, including a high profile britain and a greedy thailand, do business with this murderous regime.

Then we could set in motion a million visitors to thailand who would through strategic timing march across the borders into burma. There are so many ideas available to those prepared to end this organised state terror against its own people, but like i said, just about no-one gives a toss except the odd token comment here or there whenever suu kyi gets in the news.
 
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