Suu Kyi to face trial over that american twat
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purves grundy
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Preparations for tomorrow's trial begin in earnest, as ASSK's lawyers are stripped of their professional credentials.
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Not for the millions of people it isn't.
And blind eyes are not just to be found in china. They're to be found in the whole world. It would be easy to make a case for reserving extra blame and disgust for the US and UK's blind eyes, for it is they who claimed the role of world policeman, judge, juror, and executioner.
While we're at it, probably the countries with the most shame for their nonactions are US, UK, Thailand, India, China, and the rest of ASEAN.
It just goes to show how human greed and apathy can get in the way of any semblence of humanity and justice for all. That a bunch of despicable generals can hold a country to ransom for decades with no intervention by the rest of the world leaves a dark stain on our species.
Just how much longer do we have to watch these generals fucking over their people?
pk
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Actually I think in a large part superstition and conspiracy theories have fucked Burma/Myanmar.
Is it true they get all funny about the number 7?
And that they moved their capital city from Rangoon to somewhere bang in the middle of the country and started from scratch, because the astrologers told them to do it?
And they've built a 16-lane runway into this new city, which doubles as a landing strip for the big troop carrying planes just in case the locals get uppity?
The fact that they're as corrupt as you can get goes without saying...
Is it true they get all funny about the number 7?
And that they moved their capital city from Rangoon to somewhere bang in the middle of the country and started from scratch, because the astrologers told them to do it?
And they've built a 16-lane runway into this new city, which doubles as a landing strip for the big troop carrying planes just in case the locals get uppity?
The fact that they're as corrupt as you can get goes without saying...
purves grundy
ambient clown remix
The number 9 was long-time dictator Ne Win's lucky number. Many bank notes were changed into multiples of nine - you still see the odd 45 and 90 kyat note knocking around. He also changed the driving side from the left to the right overnight on astrologer's advice. Than Shwe and cohorts have their favoured astrologers and yeah, the capital city move was at least validated by the astrologers (although it was also a tradition of past Burmese kings to build a new capital - Than Shwe's megalomania certainly played a part in the move.)
Other madness was a nationwide campaign to plant physic nut trees because the Burmese name meant the reverse of Suu Kyi's name, so it would counter her power. Farmers up and down the country had to plant this thing, they're rotting by the roadside now but they served their purpose. And a few months ago at the Burmese film awards, all awards for women were scrapped on astrologer's advice. Every week there's something like this.
It is pretty mental, but it's just instrumental to a bigger cause, and for the top generals this isn't just corruption: they do genuinely believe that without their rule that Burma would fall apart, or at least into ungovernable chaos. And chaos for them means people doing what they would like to do.
Other madness was a nationwide campaign to plant physic nut trees because the Burmese name meant the reverse of Suu Kyi's name, so it would counter her power. Farmers up and down the country had to plant this thing, they're rotting by the roadside now but they served their purpose. And a few months ago at the Burmese film awards, all awards for women were scrapped on astrologer's advice. Every week there's something like this.
It is pretty mental, but it's just instrumental to a bigger cause, and for the top generals this isn't just corruption: they do genuinely believe that without their rule that Burma would fall apart, or at least into ungovernable chaos. And chaos for them means people doing what they would like to do.
Too fucking true!
And at least the CCP doesn't bleat about Burma's HR record and openly nails its colours to the mkast of despicable regime. The US and UK govts. meanwhile, wring their hands, complain ...... and do fuck all.
China is disgusting in its open support.
The "west" is disgusting in its handwringing aquiesence.
Woof
Really? I think it's down to a very few mass-murderers running the country.
That and the fact that the governments' around the world that could do something don't give a shit about the abuse and poverty and, instead, indulge and permit these mass murderers to live in luxury while their countrypeople scrabble in the dirt.
Supporting the regime ain't the answer.
Neither is handwringing.
Woof
purves grundy
ambient clown remix
And the answer is...? Would people on here accept a humanitarian invasion? Occupying forces? A 'surgical strike' on Naypyidaw? I'd be very happy with the latter but would others on here? The west should do more. Such as? The Burmese generals couldn't give a shit about western sanctions when all their needs are taken care of by trade with China, India (these two countries have made no statement whatsoever on the current situation) and ASEAN countries.
IMO the situation in Burma and the impotence of states that care exposes the limits of international law and the pervasiveness of the states system, not the hypocrisy of the west. Perhaps we should criticise the UN? But countries get the UN that they want; there are few states that would support an increase in the UN's powers to override state sovereignty.
IMO the situation in Burma and the impotence of states that care exposes the limits of international law and the pervasiveness of the states system, not the hypocrisy of the west. Perhaps we should criticise the UN? But countries get the UN that they want; there are few states that would support an increase in the UN's powers to override state sovereignty.
I would as well.
And they made it rather easy too didn't they?!
But you're right, the human world in general have got it all screwed. The self-appointed policemen will always get rid of leaders of nations they consider detrimental to their own interests (who are usually good news for their people), while nations with despotic leaders who fuck over their people are just left to carry on with their abuses.
So in a nutshell, the five nations that make up the Insecurity Council of the UN - in particular US and UK - happily fuck with a nation's people if their leader is helping them rather than US businesses, but if a nation's leader is fucking over his people, but causing no problem to the US itself, then nonaction is the choice.
And therein lies the flaw and the solution to such situations as in burma. The flaw is a totally unequal UN, with those five members who actually cause so much suffering in this world getting all the power. The solution is one nation one vote. Plenty of nations with a conscience in this world who would solve the problem if their votes counted at the UN.
the trouble with a surgical strike would that it wouldn't solve the causes of the problem
just taking out a dictatorship just creates a vacuum. even if the richer countries motivations genuinely were to spread democracy and prosperity etc, no way could they afford to run a global police force between them
just taking out a dictatorship just creates a vacuum. even if the richer countries motivations genuinely were to spread democracy and prosperity etc, no way could they afford to run a global police force between them
I think in the burma case it would. Coz all of the murdering generals would now be dead, and they ARE the cause of the problem. So basically it would literally be killing the causes!
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
except if this didn't work with Iraq - why should this work when simply transported a continent and a few thousand miles?
Maybe because pretty much everybody in Burma (yeah, I know, not all,) hates the junta and still loves the (in 1990,) democratically elected opposition?
Can't hurt.
Purves grundy said:
Sobering stuff, pg.
Woof
A completely different context and situation. Iraq under saddam hussein was a developed nation, infrastructure-wise. Burma has been reduced to a basketcase by the generals.
Of course, iraq is now a basketcase too, but that's the fault of the US and UK generals and politicians.
And burma really isn't that far from iraq... and it's even in the same continent.
Sobering stuff, pg.
Woof
It is. And that's why i've always thought that the only real solution lies with the burmese people themselves. But i also think part of the strength they need to unseat these despots is derived from their perceptions of how the outside world sees them and their plight.
And after the monks created a rare opportunity to initiate the change they want, i think the burmese people saw how little anybody really cared about them.
So, perhaps the ideal, peaceful solution lies in enough peoples of the world somehow transmitting their support for them. Coz you can forget about politicians and businessmen who are just greedy, apathetic, and without any semblence of humanity in them.
As always, it's up to people to help people. Those politicians and other assorted power-grabbing bastards are effectively non-people (they're just robots with automated mechanised actions all based on their insane lust for money and power) and cannot be relied upon to do anything.
Just look, that clinton woman came out and said something, and now she's forgotten the country again. That brown man in charge of britain pressed a button in his mouth and out came "i'm deeply disturbed", and now he's busy pressing other buttons in his communicative orifices and coming out with other assorted cliches.
Peoples of the world must unite to bring the peace and justice they want.
Yeah. That guarantee is always invalid with the US and the UK. It's just an ongoing process as long as modern history.
purves grundy
ambient clown remix
Precisely. The opposition are the elected government, whereas in Iraq the opposition led initially by that criminal Ahmed Chalabi or whatever his name was were a ragtag bunch of venal bastards on the make. Burma's elected MPs, whilst some of them are pretty croaky now, possess popular legitimacy. After 20 years though another election would certainly be necessary.
I'm sure it wouldn't be a perfect government - they're politicians after all - and the military would need to be involved to a certain degree, but for the vast majority of Burmese a step in this direction would be a godsend.
CyberRose
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Quickly QUICKLY you ONLY have 6 days to sign the emergency petition to free Suu Kyi!!!
http://www.avaaz.org/en/free_aung_san_suu_kyi/?cl=239439740&v=3342
I shit you not, somehow those amazing diplomats over at Avaaz have succeeded where western governments have failed in actually getting the Burmese government to agree to release her, but only if enough people sign the petition before 26th May, so please please please sign the petition and she will definitely be released!!!
http://www.avaaz.org/en/free_aung_san_suu_kyi/?cl=239439740&v=3342
I shit you not, somehow those amazing diplomats over at Avaaz have succeeded where western governments have failed in actually getting the Burmese government to agree to release her, but only if enough people sign the petition before 26th May, so please please please sign the petition and she will definitely be released!!!
purves grundy
ambient clown remix
I hate to pour cold water on well-intentioned efforts like this, but I'll eat a billion NLD hats if she walks free; I'd be surprised if this trial yields anything less than another 5 years for DASSK. At the very least, her release before the junta-organised 'elections' next year is out of the question and always has been.
What are you talking about?
Where does it say that the junta have agreed to do anything?
That is just a petition to be sent to Ban Ki-moon, urging him to "do something".
I think you are deluding yourself if you believe this will make any difference.
Woof
Corax
Luke 5:16
I'm signed up to Avaaz; I like 'em.
But either you're taking the piss, or you need a serious reality realignment.
teqniq
DisMembered
I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt but well.... this is a military dictatorship that pretty much gotten away with whatever the fuck it likes for the past twenty or so years. Unless the Chinese and/or the Indians pull the plug on them then it's business as usual. Too many vested interests.
purves grundy
ambient clown remix
What do you all mean? They said they needed people to sign an emergency petition to free Suu Kyi? Are you saying...that...even if loads of people sign the petition she might not be freed?! That...they...lied?!
Ah, a subtle pisstake
Whooooooosh!
What do you all mean? They said they needed people to sign an emergency petition to free Suu Kyi? Are you saying...that...even if loads of people sign the petition she might not be freed?! That...they...lied?!
Heh!
Sort of
but not really.Not even
really.More like overall
really.Thanks for the laugh anyway.
Woof
CyberRose
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Ah cheers pal!Heh!
Woof
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