Suspected swine flu at Glastonbury

[Jazzz]

Because they didn't suppress the news about it.

Well perhaps more importantly it also avoids a proper description of where it originated. It should really have been called

'US army camp flu'

with the first cases appearing in Fort Riley, a camp from where troops would be sent to Europe.

any guesses as to what might have been given to those troops?

 

[mrs quoad]

any guesses as to what might have been given to those troops?

I'm guessing it wasn't Jonathan Aitken's mighty Sword of Truth?

 

[ajk]

Did someone give them...










the flu?

 

[_float_]

Why do we need to "guess"? If you have something to say just get on and say it.

 

[Yossarian]

any guesses as to what might have been given to those troops?

Crudely printed pamphlets predicting the Kennedy assassination? The welcoming bodies of your female ancestors? Illuminati-sponsored vaccines made from the corpses of Gentile babies?

 

[elbows]

Oh here we go. I suppose we've been lucky that not every swine flu thread so far has been infected with this stuff.

Things like flu are good at causing outbreaks within institutions, stick a lot of people together and this sort of thing tends to happen. Its also going to get noticed rather more in a military setting than when its sporadically occuring in the wider community.

It is not possible to entirely rule out human involvement in certain flu outbreaks, but without compelling evidence such ideas should not be given much credibility. And we know that nature is quite capable of causing new flu strains without there needing to be a hidden human hand involved. Assuming otherwise suggests a major problem with reality structure, an inability to account for chance and the vast amounts of chaos that exist in the world.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Well perhaps more importantly it also avoids a proper description of where it originated. It should really have been called

'US army camp flu'

with the first cases appearing in Fort Riley, a camp from where troops would be sent to Europe.

any guesses as to what might have been given to those troops?

Cake, lots of cake.

Don't forget this thread will you, http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=9328650&postcount=48 I'm very interested to hear from you on it.

 

[Jazzz]

not only cake BTL, but this was the first war in which vaccination regimes were enforced against the troops. Given that people didn't even know what viruses were in those days, how safe do you think those vaccines were, and just perhaps the injection of foreign protein + viruses (hint: foreign protein + viral promoter = genetic engineering) straight into human bloodstream might just be a plausible mechanism for the creation of new illnesses?

 

[_float_]

Leaving aside conspiracy nonsense derailing and side-tracks (best to ignore it rather than rise to it) there is a valid question about exactly how concerned we should be about this particular strain of swine flu. So far despite spreading rapidly it hasn't been too bad in terms of killing people but there is concern that further mutations may make it far more dangerous and mortality levels will be higher in poorer countries when it hits them.

 

[FiFi]

Well perhaps more importantly it also avoids a proper description of where it originated. It should really have been called

'US army camp flu'

with the first cases appearing in Fort Riley, a camp from where troops would be sent to Europe.

any guesses as to what might have been given to those troops?

Errrm, possibly a mix of flu strains between people from different areas of the country herded together into a transit camp, or a mix of human flu and a strain from whatever animals they had in the camp.

Possibly? From what we know about flu, anyway.

I think it's true that we don't actually know exactly how it started, is that correct?

 

[Cloud]

It's ok, I drank 4 pints of stella and symptoms of flu have all but disappeared.

I'm sure most of them will be safe.

 

[FiFi]

Leaving aside conspiracy nonsense derailing and side-tracks (best to ignore it rather than rise to it) there is a valid question about exactly how concerned we should be about this particular strain of swine flu. So far despite spreading rapidly it hasn't been too bad in terms of killing people but there is concern that further mutations may make it far more dangerous and mortality levels will be higher in poorer countries when it hits them.

This^^

Plus, more people with underlying conditions may be at risk if cases increase even further during "normal" flu season in the late autumn.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Leaving aside conspiracy nonsense derailing and side-tracks (best to ignore it rather than rise to it) there is a valid question about exactly how concerned we should be about this particular strain of swine flu. So far despite spreading rapidly it hasn't been too bad in terms of killing people but there is concern that further mutations may make it far more dangerous and mortality levels will be higher in poorer countries when it hits them.

Valid question, but a comprehensive and sensible answer. Threadkiller!

 

[claphamboy]

Well it's pretty simple. Our rulers like keeping people in fear of things both real and imagined. However they also mistreat us, but don't want us to understand that. So we get lied to both ways.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Leaving aside conspiracy nonsense derailing and side-tracks (best to ignore it rather than rise to it) there is a valid question about exactly how concerned we should be about this particular strain of swine flu. So far despite spreading rapidly it hasn't been too bad in terms of killing people but there is concern that further mutations may make it far more dangerous and mortality levels will be higher in poorer countries when it hits them.

It's about as lethal as the Spanish flu was. The danger is that it'll return during the winter at which point loads of people start to drop.

 

[_float_]

Jazzz can you explain in scientific terms what you are talking about?

What vaccinations? What biological mechanisms? How were these linked to H1N1?

 

[mentalchik]

Well it's pretty simple. Our rulers like keeping people in fear of things both real and imagined. However they also mistreat us, but don't want us to understand that. So we get lied to both ways.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Jazzz can you explain in scientific terms what you are talking about?

What vaccinations? What biological mechanisms? How were these linked to H1N1?

Any, he doesn't know and they aren't.

 

[Jazzz]

Leaving aside conspiracy nonsense derailing

It's funny, but 'conspiracy nonsense' is exactly how other posters described my theory that Gulf War Syndrome was caused wholly or in part by the vaccination cocktail given to the troops. That just happens to be a mainstream theory now.

The 1918 scourge is probably a bit much to own up to though...

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Oh i see, the smallpox vaccine caused the Spanish flu outbreak. Christ, how could i be so stupid as to miss that!

 

[Jazzz]

Jazzz can you explain in scientific terms what you are talking about?

What vaccinations? What biological mechanisms? How were these linked to H1N1?

Do you mean swine flu or the 1989 disease?

 

[_float_]

It's about as lethal as the Spanish flu was.

Wikipedia:

"The WHO Rapid Pandemic Assessment Collaboration estimated the case fatality ratio in Mexico prior to mid-April to be 0.4%. This is comparable to that of the 1957 Asian flu, a category 2 pandemic that killed approximately 1 to 4 million people"

The 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic killed between 50 and 100 million people with an estimated of 10% to 20% of those infected dying.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Do you mean swine flu or the 1989 disease?

Spanish flu was H1N1 sherlock.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Wikipedia:

"The WHO Rapid Pandemic Assessment Collaboration estimated the case fatality ratio in Mexico prior to mid-April to be 0.4%. This is comparable to that of the 1957 Asian flu, a category 2 pandemic that killed approximately 1 to 4 million people"

The 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic killed between 50 and 100 million people with an estimated of 10% to 20% of those infected dying.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

Source on the radio claimed they were similar. Perhaps I misheard.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

give.a.shit.

 

[_float_]

Do you mean swine flu or the 1989 disease?

1989?

 

[Yossarian]

Given that people didn't even know what viruses were in those days, how safe do you think those vaccines were, and just perhaps the injection of foreign protein + viruses (hint: foreign protein + viral promoter = genetic engineering) straight into human bloodstream might just be a plausible mechanism for the creation of new illnesses?

Given that your sentences are poorly constructed (hint: subject + verb + object) just how just might be your just?

And whereabouts on the Internet are you dredging your flu opinions from?

 

[Bob_the_lost]

Btw this is yet another Whale.to sponsored fear fest from Jazzz.

 

[_float_]

It's funny, but 'conspiracy nonsense' is exactly how other posters described my theory that Gulf War Syndrome was caused wholly or in part by the vaccination cocktail given to the troops. That just happens to be a mainstream theory now.

The 1918 scourge is probably a bit much to own up to though...

Sorry Jazzz but this isn't an answer.

Again:

Can you explain in scientific terms what you are talking about?

What vaccinations? What biological mechanisms? How were these linked to H1N1 (Spanish flu in 1918, or any other examples of N1H1 or N1H5 since then)?

 

[laptop]

Spoiler: feeding the troll

any guesses as to what might have been given to those troops?

In 1918?

But, silly me, must have been a 'flu vaccine delivered by time-travelling lizards coming back from... when?