Support the Tube workers

[butchersapron]

... and my annual pay increase? Zero. Not even a 'cost of living' increase, so in effect that's a 2.3% cut in salary.

I'm sure if the tube workers don't like their terms and conditions, there's plenty of people who would be quite happy to work under them, on that salary package.

You're fucked partly because you're not in a union and refuse to join one, not because tube workers are in a union and refuse to allow themselves to be walked all over like you do. How many times do you need this explaining?

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

... and my annual pay increase? Zero. Not even a 'cost of living' increase, so in effect that's a 2.3% cut in salary.

I'm sure if the tube workers don't like their terms and conditions, there's plenty of people who would be quite happy to work under them, on that salary package.

I'd happily do it for all the holidays they get, which I think is fair enough - they need to see the daylight occasionally

 

[dennisr]

... and my annual pay increase? Zero. Not even a 'cost of living' increase, so in effect that's a 2.3% cut in salary.

I'm sure if the tube workers don't like their terms and conditions, there's plenty of people who would be quite happy to work under them, on that salary package.

Diddums. Don't blame them for that - join a union - that's why they have the rights they have and why you haven't.

 

[DRINK?]

Bring back Thatcher ....gawd bless her

 

[dennisr]

Bring back Thatcher ....gawd bless her

Aye, she knew how to deal with uppity trade unionists - destroy the entire industry, smash entire communities and make us completely dependent on the whims of multinationals - that'll teach em

 

[FreddyB]

If you have a job and you're getting fucked over perhaps following the example of the tube workers would be better for you than bashing them.

This attitude of "I don't have it so fuck them for wanting it" is depressing. Surely it would be better if they got it and the rest of us got it too?

I'm getting fucked over financially big time right now but the tube workers have my support, for what it's worth being nowhere near London

 

[DRINK?]

Quite.....My only regret is that Thatcher didn't go far enough...she should have publicly hanged the union leaders, and paraded Scargill's head on a spike around Westminster. If you don't like your work and conditions, maybe you should have worked a bit harder at school, or perhaps, and here's a rather radical suggestion, look for another job?

 

[FreddyB]

Quite.....My only regret is that Thatcher didn't go far enough...she should have publicly hanged the union leaders, and paraded Scargill's head on a spike around Westminster. If you don't like your work and conditions, maybe you should have worked a bit harder at school, or perhaps, and here's a rather radical suggestion, look for another job?

I was quite cheerful today. Was

 

[dennisr]

Quite.....My only regret is that Thatcher didn't go far enough...she should have publicly hanged the union leaders, and paraded Scargill's head on a spike around Westminster. If you don't like your work and conditions, maybe you should have worked a bit harder at school, or perhaps, and here's a rather radical suggestion, look for another job?

"in my day, if I had a bowl of rice a day and a pebble to suck I counted my blessings... they don't know they're born, the abolition of national service thats where it all began to go wrong and disipline in schools"

 

[dennisr]

Surely it would be better if they got it and the rest of us got it too?

Exactly - we should learn from the example they provide.

maybe its a version of the politics of envy from the soon to be ruined petty-bourg??

 

[durruti02]

durruti02 - could you put down your agrument for supporting the tube workers. It's all fine and well saying "support the tube workers", but why..??

1000 workers planned to be sacked .. fairly simple imho ..

 

[dennisr]

1000 workers planned to be sacked .. fairly simple imho ..

funny how scabby gabi, Tfl's public mouthpiece, and co forgot to mention that wee point?

 

[durruti02]

so randomly plucked out the sky.


this really needs to get sorted. The tube workers seesm to be striking more regularly then french lorry drivers.


dave

so just maybe if the rest of us followed their example this country might not be up shite creek like it is ..

 

[Kanda]

1000 workers planned to be sacked .. fairly simple imho ..

Today, further assurances were given to make clear that LU seek to avoid compulsory redundancies as part of dealing with the collapse of Metronet, and to continue to abide by all existing agreements regarding redundancies.

Only duplicated back-office jobs are being reduced primarily through not filling vacancies, voluntary redundancy and reducing the use of contractors, as LU cannot continue to ask taxpayers and fare payers to fund two people doing the same job.

LU Interim Managing Director Richard Parry said: 'We have dealt with the collapse of Metronet by bringing it back under London Underground control, something for which the RMT have been campaigning for years.

'As a result, we are having to end the duplication of a number of back-office roles, which is being dealt with by an Organisational Change Process (OCP).

'No frontline, operational staff working on trains, stations and maintenance are part of this process.

Is this not just the same procedure as any company that ends up merging with another?

Not saying it's right, just getting my head round it. How can you operate with that much duplication?

 

[durruti02]

You're fucked partly because you're not in a union and refuse to join one, not because tube workers are in a union and refuse to allow themselves to be walked all over like you do. How many times do you need this explaining?

some people really are thick .. they complain about decent Ts and Cs AND unions in the same breath and are too thick to work out it is unions that make decent working conditions .. if you got shit working conditions and shit pay in some shitty private sector company .. set up a fucking union and stop being a wanker and criticising those who do have unions and hence half decent wages and conditions ..

 

[dennisr]

Is this not just the same procedure as any company that ends up merging with another?

I suppose a 'procedure' for one fella is the loss of livelihood, security and income for 1,000 other folk.

But yes, of course, that is how they operate if they are allowed to - you can guess how duplication of management positions will be dealt with (as it has in most of out privatised industries - utilities ec etc)

 

[durruti02]

Is this not just the same procedure as any company that ends up merging with another?

Not saying it's right, just getting my head round it. How can you operate with that much duplication?

you believe that? you trust suits and overpaid bureaucrats??

 

[Kanda]

I suppose a 'procedure' for one fella is the loss of livelihood, security and income for 1,000 other folk.

But yes, of course, that is how they operate if they are allowed to

As said, I'm not saying it's right.

But what other solution is there if you've got duplication of roles as mentioned above? Just run at a loss? Hike fares up?

 

[Kanda]

you believe that? you trust suits and overpaid bureaucrats??

I'm just discussing it, I don't beleive anyone

 

[Andy the Don]

1000 workers planned to be sacked .. fairly simple imho ..

You should expand that point. Why are they being sacked..?? The Metronet, Tubelines PPP/PFI fiasco, cost of tube travel raising at above inflation, tube expansion/redevlopment plans being cut.. Show the commuters that you are fighting on their behalf and not just for a headline 5% pay increase and guaranteed no redundancies. Especially when the average Joe is having it hard and still is expected to get into work, strike or no strike. Its all about how you get your message across to the public and the RMT are failing and hence no support from the public for industrial action.

 

[gabi]

funny how scabby gabi, Tfl's public mouthpiece, and co forgot to mention that wee point?

Yawn...

I ain't a particular fan of TfL my friend but I sure as hell don't support this fucktank out of sheer kneejerk reaction to any industrial action.

 

[dennisr]

You should expand that point. Why are they being sacked..?? The Metronet, Tubelines PPP/PFI fiasco, cost of tube travel raising at above inflation, tube expansion/redevlopment plans being cut.. Show the commuters that you are fighting on their behalf and not just for a headline 5% pay increase and guaranteed no redundancies. Especially when the average Joe is having it hard and still is expected to get into work, strike or no strike. Its all about how you get your message across to the public and the RMT are failing and hence no support from the public for industrial action.

Absolutely, but - I'm guessing here - its pretty likely the RMT WILL be trying to make these points. How likely is it that our oh so unbiast millionaire, "free" press will allow them to put such obvious points across?

 

[Andy the Don]

Absolutely, but - I'm guessing here - its pretty likely the RMT WILL be trying to make these points. How likely is it that our oh so unbiast millionaire, "free" press will allow them to put such obvious points across?

What about doing what the Australian suburban rail workers did when they took industrial action. Run a service but refuse to take fares and man gates/check tickets..??

 

[dennisr]

Yawn...

I ain't a particular fan of TfL my friend but I sure as hell don't support this fucktank out of sheer kneejerk reaction to any industrial action.

counter *yawn*

so that's what your 'argument' comes down to scabby - once the real issues are made clear? - idiot

 

[dennisr]

What about doing what the Australian suburban rail workers did when they took industrial action. Run a service but refuse to take fares and man gates/check tickets..??

Yep, i think that's a good idea - not the only example of it

 

[onenameshelley]

I keep trying to get the other girls to start a union because Personal Assistants/secretaries dont have one but no one wants too. If there was a union i would join it, my dad has joined the union wherever he has worked and it always seemed like a good thing to me.

I dont think that there will be a lot of sympathy for the tube peeps though. I am however highly sus of Bob "Permatan" crow.

 

[Kanda]

From the other thread:

From the RMT circular (for balance and all that):


Quote:
Dispute Update



RMT spent ten hours in talks with London Underground management yesterday (Monday 8th June 2009). We made many proposals and offered many opportunities for management to settle our dispute with them, but at the end of a long day, all London Underground offered was more talks!



· They refused to even discuss pay.



· They still refuse to respond to our claims for improved conditions, for example a guaranteed alternative job if you become medically unfit for your existing post.



· They refused to acknowledge their existing policy commiting the company to no compulsory redundancies for all grades.



· They refused to reverse the injustices against any of the seven individual cases that we asked them to review.



· They refused seven reasonable proposals from us to stop managers abusing the attendance procedure to mistreat staff.



This leaves us with:



- a pay offer below the real rate of inflation ie. a real-terms pay cut

- no improvements to your conditions of work

- the threat of compulsory redundancy hanging over all our staff

- several of your workmates unfairly sacked or disciplined

- managers continuing with their regime of fear and intimidation against staff when you are sick



We can not accept that.



Had London Underground been willing to seriously address our concerns, we could have resolved this dispute and avoided strike action. However, they stubbornly and unreasonably refused to do so, leaving RMT with no choice but to proceed with this week's strike.



We remain available to talk to management before, during or after the strike.



The only way now to get management to negotiate in any meaningful way is to make this week's action as strong as possible. Every member of staff can play your part in this. Join the strike and you help RMT to win for all workers; go to work and you help management attack your rights and defeat the union. It's a simple as that.



And one more thing there were some separate talks about postponing the Victoria line dispute and we said this would be possible if our two members were reinstated and talks about safety and bullying started. Management not only refused this reasonable request but deliberately tried to give the impression that we meant the main dispute would be postponed this was never the case and is typical of the dishonesty which they have displayed throughout this whole process.

 

[gabi]

counter *yawn*

so that's what your 'argument' comes down to scabby - once the real issues are made clear? - idiot

How old are you? (genuine question)

 

[dennisr]

From the other thread:

basically, Tfl want this fight. But Gabi and co blame the workers - the ones facing loss of their jobs for it

"I'm no fan of Tfl" - i simply like to repeat the lies of such thieving parasites in the interests of 'balance'

 

[dennisr]

How old are you? (genuine question)

12

or over 40 and aware of the results of mass unemployment and the destruction of industries and communities having experienced them first hand.

take you pick